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<p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with this thread of
thought. The question does not neatly fit the “facts”. Perhaps the problem
is the SDLC itself, which is a cut down version of what actually happens. For
example, the official VCAA definition used to be that there were seven steps,
now it’s five, and there is no mention of feasibility studies or the many steps
that follow evaluation at the end of the life cycle. If I were marking that
question I would allow both Design and Development. My original request was
for help in explaining this to my students, and thanks to you all, I have
received that! <o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Adrian Janson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 September 2008 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Re: sofdev Digest, Vol 43, Issue 12<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well perhaps the fault is in the question – as I do not agree
that ‘design is design’. A sketch of what a UI might look like in a
finished development is quite different to a detailed UI design. The software
development cycle (which technically is a part of the development phase of the
SDLC) contains a design stage that is related specifically to the design of the
UI’s for the software in question. The design phase of the SDLC is a much
more global information system wide design. I don’t believe that after
analyzing an information system, the next step should be UI design – I think
that this comes much later. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Perhaps the question should have been more specific in terms of
these things. My 2c anyway – I feel that either answer would be easily
justified in an exam situation and if students were able to do so in the manner
that we have done, they would have more than demonstrated an in-depth knowledge
of the course. (Sometimes I find the ‘mistakes’ or debatable questions to
be the most stimulating for class discussion! Let students take a side
and debate their point of view.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;
color:#1F497D'>Adrian Janson, <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 8 September 2008 12:22 PM<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Design is Design! <br>
<br>
We were told at Uni some 5 years ago now that a design should be detailed
enough that if you were to have an accident someone else could use your design
and build whatever needs to be built.<br>
<br>
In house terms a detailed plan is still a plan of what is to be.<br>
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Karen Webster<br>
IT Teacher<br>
Alexandra SC<o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 11:49:43 +1000<br>
From: "Adrian Janson" <<a
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Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface<br>
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Actually on second thoughts I can see why Development is the suggested<br>
answer. It is during the development phase that the software development<br>
itself takes place - and the Design phase is really about selecting<br>
hardware, software and determining features of the system rather than<br>
getting stuck into details such as UI's. The design phase might determine<br>
that a software package needs to be created and have certain requirements -<br>
and some designs might be created which represent what the UI should ideally<br>
look like. But it is a lot like a concept sketch of a new house versus a<br>
detailed plan of what each of the rooms will look like.<br>
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<br>
I change my vote!<br>
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Cheers,<br>
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Adrian<br>
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Adrian Janson,<br>
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On Behalf Of Adrian Janson<br>
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 11:34 AM<br>
To: 'Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface<br>
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Hi Quentin,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The key word would seem to be 'designing' so in this respect 'Design' would<br>
be the most correct response.<br>
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Cheers,<br>
<br>
Adrian<br>
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Adrian Janson,<br>
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On Behalf Of Quentin Lydall<br>
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2008 11:02 AM<br>
To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Design of User Interface<br>
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Hi All,<br>
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Question 2 of Section B of VITTA sample exam 3, 2007, (whew!) asks what<br>
stage if the SDLC designing the user interface takes place. The
supplied<br>
answer is Development. Can someone please help me explain to my students<br>
why it does not happen during the design stage?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks!!<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Quentin Lydall<br>
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Head of ICT<br>
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Beaconhills College Valley Campus<br>
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