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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>you
are assuming of course that a study which deals only with those things relating
directly to programming will attract students and bring them back in droves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And this is – I believe – a big assumption!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Let us say that there are a core of IT students at the moment
who are in Year 10 and preparing to undertake VCE next year. What percentage of
these student do you think look at the course outline and decide “hmmm…
looks like there is not enough programming… I won’t be taking that
course – even though it is what I am interested in..!”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Do you think this number is 5%? 10%, 50%! More?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>In my experience – the students that are keen on IT –
and the ones that I are undertaking my Year 10 programming elective – are
carrying on to enrol in SD3/4 – regardless of the course content.
Now I don’t mean to imply that the course content is not important –
however, I think that the students that we are wanting to attract are the ones
that are not necessarily into programming! They are the ones that have
not considered undertaking an IT career. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Adrian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>BTW: My off-list email to you Andrew was in regards to your lack
of identification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Timmer-Arends<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 26 April 2008 3:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 SofDev] Re: Re: Industry practice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hello
Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>you
are assuming of course that a study which deals only with those things relating
directly to programming will attract students and bring them back in droves.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Robert
T-A</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Brighton
SC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:jagguy999@gmail.com"
title="jagguy999@gmail.com">andrew barry</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a
href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" title="sofdev@edulists.com.au">Year 12
Software Development Teachers' Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Saturday, April 26,
2008 10:23 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Year 12 SofDev]
Re: Re: Industry practice<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Hi,<br>
<br>
No I havent received a off-topic email.<br>
I think i dont' want an debate on why we should keep the status quo with IT.
I thought the idea was to encourage students to undertake further IT
courses beyond of yr12, and provide with them skills so they feel they can do
it?<br>
<br>
With declining numbers in IT courses everywhere I believe we need to argue for
change , as I have said before. If we don't initiate change then someone will
do it for us, as business adopt a school policy has threatened. I want a
programming subject to teach and another that deals with hands on with
applications eg webpages,VBA etc. Spread the other issues as components of unit
1 and 2.<br>
<br>
If we don't inspire kids in VCE then they dont go onto IT courses, and this
seems to be our current issue(except my classes where I have re jigged things
:).<br>
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- Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and <br>
<a href="http://www.vitta.org.au">http://www.vitta.org.au </a>- VITTA Victorian
Information Technology Teachers Association Inc<o:p></o:p></p>
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- Victorian Curriculum and Assessment Authority and <br>
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