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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Charmaine
Taylor<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, 3 December 2007 11:29 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 1=
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SofDev] When to start VB prac?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>I mix the programming with theory right from the start. See attac=
hed
(this for students who had intro to programming in yr10). Beginner start on=
easier ex but did this one in week 2 or 3 (I forget. February seems so long=
ago!),<BR><BR>Charmaine Taylor<BR>Sunbury Downs College<BR><BR>Steven Branso=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I like to start=
VB
prac once the majority of the theory for SAC1 is complete. Even if you sta=
rt
it as a one session per week earlier in the year the students can start to=
get
a feel for it, which is good for students starting from a very low base.
Students tend to find programming interesting which is a good break from t=
he
theory contained in SAC1.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SP=
AN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve
Branson<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><O:P></O:P></SP=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><B><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN lang=3DEN-US
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</S=
PAN></FONT></B><FONT
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> <A
class=3Dmoz-txt-link-abbreviated
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[<A class=3Dmoz-txt-link-freetext
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sts.com.au</A>]
<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Andrew
Grimshaw<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday=
, 1
December 2007 12:21 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN><=
/B>
Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [Year 12 SofDev] When to s=
tart
VB prac?</SPAN></FONT><SPAN lang=3DEN-US><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hi fellow SD
teachers!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Im teaching SD for first tim=
e next
year</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ive been making up a calenda=
r for
it based on Kevorks timeline from the edulists site (thx
kevork)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">U301 seems fairly theoretica=
l - i
was wondering how many of you started doing practical exercise on VB (or
whatever language u use) earlier than the commencement of
U302?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My students are starting fro=
m a
pretty low base as far as programming is concerned - a couple of high flye=
rs
but the rest are basically beginners. I was thinking of doing a littl=
e
bit of prac each week from the start of term 1, even though im going to be=
doing U301 then</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">andrew
grimshaw</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">colac
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