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<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>RE: the portable device discussion, I don't think it so much
that it 'runs' on the actual device but that the design and ultimately the
production considers the device of choice. Eg: screen size, colour constraints,
data entry options, security etc. (see key skill 6 in outcome 2)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If you can get it to run on the device as part of classroom
activities then great, but this I think is unlikely in an assessment scenario.
However, this does mean that all students would be expected to know what must
be considered when designing for such things as a PDA and should be able to
apply this to their solution (and I would think write about it as required). This
is a different focus from previous years. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'>*********************************************************************</span></font><span
style='mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'>Claudia Graham</span></font><span style='mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'>VCE Coordinator</span></font><span style='mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'>Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)</span></font><span
style='mso-no-proof:yes'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'>9334 0049 (direct)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=1 color=maroon face="Arial Black"><span
style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black";color:maroon;mso-no-proof:
yes'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;mso-ansi-language:EN-US'>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au] On
Behalf Of Kevork Krozian<br>
Sent: 13 February 2007 12:12 PM<br>
To: sofdev@edulists.com.au<br>
Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [Year 12 SofDev] Pondering SD U3O2 - Email found in
subject</span><o:p></o:p></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi Mark and David,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>I think you
can run any program on any mobile device, not only web based. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Furthermore, it can be a software module that is " ...capable of
running on a mobile device ..."<span
style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>without necessarily actually
running on the device. Whilst we are watering things down, the mobile device
can be a laptop. All this makes one wonder why you would bother setting such
conditions when they can be ignored. Meanwhile, other teachers apply these
requirements fully and their reward is a pat on the back for all that work.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>The issue also here for a
first time SD teacher is that the same language must be used all year. So, it
would pay to look at both programming tasks together when deciding on the
language and not separately otherwise there could be grief if the language of
choice in the first task does not fit so nicely in the second.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Sorry to be a little bit
what's the word, , pointed ??<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>but
we are either going to write code that we will run on a portable device that
must be different to a standard device or else we are not going to bother
pretending we are doing something that does not differ at all from the standard
approach. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Back to class ....<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Take Care<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>IT Manager , <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Forest</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Hill</st1:PlaceType> <st1:PlaceType w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>k.krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>http://www.fhc.vic.edu.au<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on"><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Mobile</span></font></st1:City></st1:place>:
0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>>>> dgdawson@mgs.vic.edu.au 02/13/07 10:55am >>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>My interpretation is that any small web-based application that can be
displayed in a mobile phone or PDA accessing the internet would be acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>If anyone thinks this is not ok - then please let us know asap.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>We will be using PHP mostly.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>David Dawson<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>From: sofdev-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Mark Kelly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Sent: Tue 13/02/2007 10:46 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>To: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Subject: [Year 12 SofDev] Pondering SD U3O2<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Hi all.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>Have spent a quiet
time with the study design...<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Can someone suggest why U3O2 would specify a software module for a <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>*portable* computing device.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'>
</span>It seems oddly esoteric and specialised <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>for a student's very first programming task.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>I wouldn't be game to program for my Palm OS, or for a Nokia phone.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>One would have thought a module for a traditional computing system
would <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>be more logical.<span style='mso-spacerun:yes'> </span>(Yes, I do
realise a laptop is both portable and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>traditional so kids can easily write a module for a "normal"
PC :-)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Just wonderin' what VCAA's motives might have been.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>And while I'm here, I'm curious what languages people have chosen. My <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>fallback is VB, but I am toying with Python as an alternative - and <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>trying to get used to its odd punctuation and lack of endings to loops <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>and IF constructs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoPlainText><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:
10.0pt'>Mark Kelly<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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