Well said!<BR><BR>> I don't think it is THAT non-sensical....<BR>> <BR>> Assuming that you have trusted measurement instruments that can distinguish fine changes in student<BR>> performance from semester to semester related to objective standards...... THEN a student that reaches a<BR>> standard 6 months "late" or "early" is above or below expected. <BR>> The problem lies not in theory, but in the practice....<BR>> <BR>> We don't have and are not likely to be given ANY trusted measurement instruments - we are expected to BE the<BR>> measurement instruments - entirely objective and consistent across the state .... HO HO<BR>> <BR>> We don't have and are unlikely to be given any objective standards... the vague eduspeak of the "standards"<BR>> allows a truck to be driven through it. ICT is one of the most tortuous and vacuous.<BR>> <BR>> Therefore, what we will get will be a huge deluge of normative GIGO (Garbage In garbage OUT) as teachers<BR>> choose the safety of the doubly wide C ground over the need to defend an B or a D without any real objective<BR>> armour.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ====================================================<BR>> Stephen Digby, Learning Technology Manager<BR>> mailto: admin@cheltsec.vic.edu.au <BR>> Cheltenham Secondary College www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au <HTTP: www.cheltsec.vic.edu.au /><BR>> Ph: 613 955 55 955 Fx: 9555 8617 Mb: 0431-701-028<BR>> ====================================================<BR>> I wear my heart on my sleeve. I wear my liver on my pant leg. NOT a Steven Wright joke (a Rod Schmidt look<BR>> alike) <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _____ <BR>> <BR>> From: reporting-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:reporting-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Lesley<BR>> Humphries<BR>> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2007 10:55 AM<BR>> To: Reporting Mailing List<BR>> Subject: Re: [Reporting] Fwd: VELS and semester reporting - please advise<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Hi Kevork,<BR>> <BR>> Re Progression
Points & semester subjects<BR>> <BR>> When we thought we had to do ICT progression points (we have recently found out that Catholic schools don't<BR>> until next year - phew...) we had set up our marking schemes so that the percentage mark that led to to<BR>> progression point in Sem 1 had to be different for Sem 2 to make them the same. Because you're right - you are<BR>> teaching the same stuff, so why should a kid doing it in Semester 2 get a lower progression point than a kid<BR>> who did exactly the same work in Semester 1? Just because they're possibly six months older?<BR>> <BR>> It's really nonsensical, but it was the only way we could make it work for us. We just keep hoping all this<BR>> silly A-E reporting stuff will soon disappear...<BR>> <BR>> > <BR>> > Hi Folks,<BR>> > <BR>> > I hate to do this, but I haven't heard from the reporting list so I am<BR>> > cross posting this for your advice please.<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > >>> Kevork! Krozian 6/06/2007 10:29 am >>><BR>> > Hi Folks,<BR>> > <BR>> > Consider this dilemma ,<BR>> > <BR>> > Students do a compulsory elective of ICT in 1 semester of Year 9 ( or<BR>> > Yr 10 for that matter ). All students will do this elective, either in<BR>> > Sem 1 or Sem 2. It is the same work for both semesters. Student X does<BR>> > Sem 1, student Y does Sem 2. They are twins.<BR>> > <BR>> > Both attain a progression point of 5.5 . However, student X gets a<BR>> > grade of B and student Y gets a grade of C for the same work. So , how<BR>> > do we explain this to parents ? They are both achieving the same , yet<BR>> > score different grades by the randomness of elective selection and<BR>> > different stages ( or ages ) of assessment .<BR>> > <BR>> > How do we reconcile this ?<BR>> > <BR>> > Look forward to your replies<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> &
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