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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard and ors, 3 points on the course
review;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. I generally agree that assessment in philosophy
does not do justice to capturing the developmental progress of our students. I
suggest a journal which is probably what others are thinking also. But the
criteria need to be focused on formative principles of assessment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. In relation to the texts, I'd like to drop a
couple just to free up the curriculum to allow more reflection, research and
evaluation opportunities for the students. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>3. My suggestion would be to revamp the whole
structure of the course that gives greater choice over what texts schools can
choose from. For example we can have a greater variety of themes that include
the current Good Life and Knowledge and Mind but also themes on topics
like Environment, Love, Identity that can have their own range of readings and
texts.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can provide more detail if you wish, keep up the
good work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>emmanuel</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=rodonovan@fhs.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:rodonovan@fhs.vic.edu.au">Richard O'Donovan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=philosophy@edulists.com.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 27, 2006 10:40
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Philosophy] Course
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Thanks for the feedback
Lyn. I'd like to see a non-print text included too... any
suggestions? If you had to crop something, what would it
be??</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A
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on behalf of <A
href="mailto:lr@willihigh.vic.edu.au">lr@willihigh.vic.edu.au</A><BR><B>Sent:</B>
Thu 23-Feb-06 10:33 AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:philosophy@edulists.com.au">philosophy@edulists.com.au</A>; <A
href="mailto:philosophy@edulists.com.au">philosophy@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [Philosophy] Course Review<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>hi all,<BR>have to disagree with greg on the king. i
feel it's highly relevant - especially when i have a mix of theists, atheists
and agnostics in the room. turing is little value without the
objections, but i tend not to give my students the objections straight
away. instead i ask them to come up with some ideas, which are noted on
the board, then i hand out the actual objections and we classify their own
thoughts under the different headings.<BR>i don't actually have a problem with
any of the readings. our school doesn't have great resources, but i have
enough time to do the course with 3 weeks at the end just for revision.
my kids usually perform at or above the state average on the end of year
exam. some modern (non-print?) texts could be good. there NEEDS TO
BE at least one SAC that is orally presented - the running of a philosophy
cafe, a speech, a role-play, whatever. but if we seriously want them
doing philosophy and not just regurgitating the ideas of dead white men they
need to be assessed on their ability to speak!<BR><BR>"Richard O'Donovan"
<rodonovan@fhs.vic.edu.au> on Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:38:27 +1100
wrote:<BR>> Hi Clare & Greg & Ian - thought I'd combine response
here. Yes, sorry I forget to say that I'm on the review panel. I
went to the first meeting last Thursday and will go to another next
Thursday. It all feels quite rushed to me as the preliminary report on
changes is supposed to be finished by the end of this term from memory - which
is why I'm keen to get as many responses/suggestion
ASAP.<BR>> <BR>> Thanks Greg - I now have another metaphor for
philosophy; intellectual tennis - banging arguments from one side of the net
back to the other.<BR>> <BR>> I think there are also a drastic
shortage of secondary sources as part of the course - I think that if we're
going to have originals that it would also be useful to have a bit of modern
scholarship based on the extracts included too... at least there'd be less of
a vacuum for newcomers like Ian - it's no mean task to get Philo up and
running from scratch. <BR>> <BR>> I believe that VCAA is keen
to keep Philosophy rigorous - the Specialist Maths of Humanities (although you
can't do Specialist without doing Maths Methods in Yr 11) - but I'm concerned
that we are trying to squeeze in too much; which is ok for schools who can
afford to run Philosophy camps and the like, but less realistic for the poorer
resourced sites... and I don't think anyone would want to restrict access to
something like philosophy based purely on socio-economic
background.<BR>> <BR>>
Richard<BR>><BR>> <BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>><BR>> From:
philosophy-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Murphy, Clare I<BR>> Sent:
Wed 22-Feb-06 9:03 AM<BR>> To: Year 12 Philosophy Teachers' Mailing
List<BR>> Subject: RE: [Philosophy] Course Review<BR>> Hello
Richard,<BR>> My name is Clare McKay and I teach @Eltham High School. I am
on the mailing list and can now reply. Generally I agree with your
recommendations. Are you on the review panel?<BR>>
Clare<BR>> <BR>> From: philosophy-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf
of Greyruin<BR>> Sent: Tue 21-Feb-06 11:09 PM<BR>> To: Year 12
Philosophy Teachers' Mailing List<BR>> Subject: Re: [Philosophy] Course
Review<BR>> I do agree, Richard. The King is great - but irrelevant, and I
have to<BR>> confess that the Murdoch just seems murky. Right, let's get
back to<BR>> practising philosophy, not just memorising stuff. I know, it
hurts the kids<BR>> who can only memorise, but, then, I've always felt
uncomfortable about<BR>> tennis. Seems that all that attention to ball
skills and being able to belt<BR>> the jolly thing back at 250 m per
second, or whatever, basically<BR>> inconvenienced us skinny intellectual
dudes with thin wrists and spaghetti<BR>> arms.<BR>><BR>> The Turing
is good - but leave out the objections, right. My kids thought<BR>> that
was pointless. I'm not sure about dumping Aristotle altogether,
though.<BR>> We could look at his logic, perhaps. Yes, on Kuhn. Find
something more<BR>> closely connected with Popper. That's a bit strained at
the moment. How long<BR>> do we have to make a plea?<BR>><BR>>
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