<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Actually back in 2008 I had the chance to hear a speaker at an ISTE conference of his book who spoke about when the US Navy wanted to find the wreckage of the submarine Scorpion but it didn’t have enough evidence to produce a reasonable search zone.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class="">"Then naval officer John Craven had an idea: He gathered together a wide group of individuals with different talents, from math to salvage to submarines. He then asked them to bet on the submarine’s location. He compiled all of the bets and came up with a group average. The submarine was found an amazing 220 yards from that location.”</div><div class=""><a href="http://www.continuityinsights.com/articles/2012/12/harnessing-wisdom-crowds" class="">http://www.continuityinsights.com/articles/2012/12/harnessing-wisdom-crowds</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></blockquote><div class="">When I read the elements of what makes for a wise crowd, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;" class=""><div class=""><div class="">• Diversity of opinion: Each person should have private information, even if it’s just an eccentric interpretation of the known facts.</div></div><div class=""><div class="">• Independence: People’s opinions aren’t determined by the opinions of those around them.</div></div><div class=""><div class="">• Decentralization: People are able to specialize and draw on local knowledge.</div></div><div class=""><div class="">• Aggregation: Some mechanism exists for turning private judgments into a collective decision</div></div></blockquote><div apple-content-edited="true" class="">
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">it was humbling to note that this is probably what makes this mailing list feel like a wise gathering of friends instead of a forum for disagreeable and grumpy people like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets. Contribute to the wisdom of friends at the DLTV DigiCon conference next month :-)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><a class="block margin-top meta-gphoto align-center" href="http://www.meetup.com/20-40-Friendship-Club/" style="cursor: pointer; color: rgb(57, 135, 203); text-decoration: none; margin-top: 18px; text-align: center; overflow: hidden; font-family: Whitney, helvetica, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 22px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;"><img alt="" class="photo" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; line-height: 0;" apple-inline="yes" id="BA96824F-6E8D-4E2E-9EFD-78EBEF31D3C1" height="90" width="180" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" src="cid:C89AAF61-772E-455A-A0BC-789411914006"></a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">--</div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><b class="">Roland GESTHUIZEN<br class=""></b><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen" class="">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a><br class=""></div></div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Jun 2015, at 9:13 am, Laurie Savage <<a href="mailto:08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au" class="">08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I've always been dubious about the "wisdom of crowds" since seeing Leni Riefenstahl's movie about the Nuremberg rallies.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Laurie<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Laurie Savage<br class=""><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home" target="_blank" class="">https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home</a><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 June 2015 at 19:59, Roland Gesthuizen <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">In the end, the system worked and the hoax was deleted. Wikipedians are getting better at uncovering hoaxes. If it survived for so long as an obscure page without any sources, it is just hibernating until somebody pokes it with a stick or flags it for removal. There is even a wikipedia page about this:<div class=""><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia" target="_blank" class="">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">Anyway don’t take the front page entirely at face-value. Here are two things that I point out to my students:</div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. the discussion page shows up any controversy and the community around a topic. Often this flags issues in this topic that you need to be careful about. Just click on the talk tab.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">2. the list of references and external links at the bottom are sometimes better than the article. If there are none then these should ring some alarm bells.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Many years ago I started the wikipedia page for an early native Australian cricketer. Top bloke and sportsman. The changes made to this page from my early version speaks volumes for how the "truth” about his life was changed and appropriated as the cultural context and world changed around him. Its a fascinating story i’ll share at the DLTV DigiCON conference next month to anybody who asks.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Registration is open now folks. Click here for details:</div><div class=""><a href="https://dltv.vic.edu.au/dltv-annual-conference-2015" target="_blank" class="">https://dltv.vic.edu.au/dltv-annual-conference-2015</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="">On 24 May 2015, at 2:20 pm, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank" class="">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi, data-gatherers</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Next year, students will need to find reliable data to support their U3O2 hypothesis.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Obviously, most will start with Wikipedia.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here's an enlightening article you might want to acquaint them with...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/04/15/the-great-wikipedia-hoax/" target="_blank" class="">http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/04/15/the-great-wikipedia-hoax/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-- <br class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:12.6666669845581px" class="">Wikipedia says I'm handsome. Who am I to disagree?</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mark Kelly</div><div class="">mark AT vceit DOT com</div><div class=""><a href="http://vceit.com/" target="_blank" class="">http://vceit.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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