<div dir="ltr">Interesting point there Roland about the unsuspected cultural impact of Database technology. I'm sure the front line staff at Centrelink must experience a lot of confusion with family and personal naming conventions of cultures that don't match our own.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Laurie Savage<br><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 25 May 2015 at 13:32, Mark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The recognition of intersexuality is going to upset many exam writers who used to love using "Sex" as a Boolean field.<div><br></div><div>Intersex, gender, sex, gender identity etc become important and relevant terms and issues in the new study design.</div><div><br></div><div>You might want to look up what the terms mean and how they differ...</div><div><a href="https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/section-3-note-terminology-addressing-sexual-orientation-and-sex-andor-gender-identity" target="_blank">https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/section-3-note-terminology-addressing-sexual-orientation-and-sex-andor-gender-identity</a><br></div><div><div>Spoiler: "gender" is not a euphemism for "sex" and the words are not interchangeable.</div></div><div><br></div><div>A discussion page can be found here...</div><div><a href="https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/sexuality-sex-gender-identity/about-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-and-intersex-status" target="_blank">https://www.humanrights.gov.au/our-work/sexuality-sex-gender-identity/about-sexual-orientation-gender-identity-and-intersex-status</a><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">It's an interesting read.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Mark</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 25 May 2015 at 13:01, Roland Gesthuizen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div class="h5">Left hand icon for the lads is missing a sporran ;-)<div><br></div></div></div><div><div><div class="h5">Actually, there is a quite a community around uni-sex pictograms. (one of my rusty talents is sight-reading braille) <div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unisex_public_toilet</a></div><div><br></div><div>When we get past the obvious giggles and political bias, there is a great learning opportunity for our subject and an chance to have a powerful discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>It is easy build a library database using a simple Boolean option of male and female, a simple binary choice </div><div><br></div><div>.. after leading students towards this trap.</div><div><br></div><div>Consider the cultural arrogance if the default entry was “male". </div><div><br></div><div><div>Why is it better to call this category “Gender” instead of “Sex” (I teach biology </div></div><div><br></div><div>How would a transgender individual feel about only being able to choose M or F?</div><div><br></div><div>Was a binary choice the best option? Australian passports now cater for other genders</div><div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span><a href="https://www.passports.gov.au/web/sexgenderapplicants.aspx" target="_blank">https://www.passports.gov.au/web/sexgenderapplicants.aspx</a></div><div><br></div><div>And lastly. Seriously, why are we collecting this information and how will we intend to use it?</div><div><br></div><div>All this is a great example of how database design can transmit cultural information, reinforce ignorance and bias.</div><div><br></div><div>Lassie, only use this power for good and do no evil. </div><div><br></div></div></div><div><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="h5"><div>On 25 May 2015, at 9:47 am, Laurie Savage <<a href="mailto:08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">08327998@pvgc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div dir="ltr">Damn those scots!<div><br><div><span><scottishRestrooms.png></span></div></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Laurie Savage<br><a href="https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home" target="_blank">https://sites.google.com/a/pvgc.vic.edu.au/mr-savage/home</a><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 23 May 2015 at 17:43, ken price <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenjprice@gmail.com" target="_blank">kenjprice@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">You may have noticed many new toilets marked RH and LH. <div><br></div><div>Eg <a href="http://www.bronsonsafety.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/n/unisex-toilet-rh-shower.png" target="_blank">http://www.bronsonsafety.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/n/unisex-toilet-rh-shower.png</a><div>And</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.bronsonsafety.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/n/unisex-toilet-lh.png" target="_blank">http://www.bronsonsafety.com.au/media/catalog/product/cache/1/thumbnail/500x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/u/n/unisex-toilet-lh.png</a></div><div><br></div><div>Conveniently these can be misinterpreted as being for right and left handed people.</div><div><br></div><div>It is surprising how gullible some students and staff can be about this, especially if there are more RH than LH, because you can direct right-handers to "their" toilet and they notice nothing irregular.</div><div><br></div><div>I leave this as an exercise for the reader.</div><div><br></div><div>Ken.</div><div><div><div><br></div><div>On Saturday, May 23, 2015, Robert Hind <<a>robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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identifiers are still sexist. Perhaps we should work towards toilets that are
just toilets rather than being for men or for women - just like at home or on
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<div>Part of 2016 KK is gender inclusivity. </div>
<div>This article tells of the cunning plans for designing non-sexist toilet
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