<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I have finished reading the study design. Wasn't upset by it but felt a bit uncomfortable with it. Couldn't quite place why. Thanks Brendyn for putting your finger on the reason. Year 12 IT students take the course because they want to work on/with computers not to draw pictures. For a variety of reasons they have elected not to take VET courses. We should be catering to their needs (they are our customers) not pushing them away.</div><div><br></div><div>John Schwartz</div><div>Semi-retired<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 16 May 2014, at 7:12 am, "Brendyn Hancock" <<a href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Bingo Damien.
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On Thursday, May 15, 2014, ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien <<a href="mailto:Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au" target="_blank">Damien.ATKINSON-BUCK@ivanhoe.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Hi all ,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d"> My 1.8 cents worth.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">In short, I don’t like the Informatics change!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">In a little bit more detail;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">My year 11’s last year were bored with Data Visualisations and Infographics, the many who (like me) don’t have an artistic bone in their body thought
it was like moving IT into an Art classroom and were happiest when we got away from it and started on websites and/or programming.
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">I’m glad to see Project Management back in (probably my only tick in the changes)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Symbol; color:#1f497d"><span>·<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">I think the SAT is something that should stay in Art/DT type subjects. If we are going to have an assignment that goes over 2 outcomes, it needs to have
more than being a data analyst. Also, I admit to not being a mathematician, but is it not just a trumped up version of the Bivariate Data SAC that is done in Further Maths?
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Students that choose IT type subjects, I feel, generally like to
<b>create</b> things, there’s a lot of sitting around planning, designing and analysing and not much actual doing IT. Unless the student is into Photoshop <a href="http://Panit.NET">Panit.NET</a> or some other image creation software, then they are going to be fairly bored.
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">As another lister has posted, some information about hardware, setting up a computer and various trouble shooting material would be a much better option
than a SAT on Data Analysis, yes, it moves into the VET realm, but to totally neglect actual computer knowledge in a year 12 computing course is criminal.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">In its current plan, I don’t see myself recommending it to my students, let alone offering myself up to teach it, the year 9 Health course Mark mentioned in
a different post sounds much more exciting. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">I’ll hopefully be able to convince enough to go with the meatier Software Development course, but it will be a shame to lose the course that offers something
IT related for the kids that aren’t looking for an IT career, just some good IT understanding.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Well that’s my turn on the soap box, now to fit all that into a survey……<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"; color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Informatics - aaargh<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I completely agree with Mark re : Informatics and gave draft feedback to that effect.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I feel that the name “Informatics” will turn students away and the content contains little that will appeal. It seems a confusing contradiction that portfolio based assessment is being introduced at the same time as the key skills and knowledge
become more dry and theoretical.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Like Margaret I don’t have a problem with the emphasis on database work (I already teach databases in both Units 3 & 4 as my students quite like them) but I’m worried the increased emphasis on data analysis and project management will give
students little to sink their teeth into.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I would salvage ITA/Informatics by making it a subject based around web development. It could even be called “Web Development” to draw in the crowds. I think most of the draft key skills and knowledge could
be retained in this case with a couple of minor tweaks. <u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>the AOS on databases could have a focus on back-end development
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</span></span></span><u></u>the AOS which includes website analysis and visual design could focus on front end development<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>the web emphasis would put the project management and data analysis in an authentic, appealing, context<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u>the subject would be “sellable to students”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is how I have tried to teach ITA and I suppose I will try to coerce Informatics into a similar form but it doesn’t look like it is going to be an easy subject to make appealing for students or teachers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On a sidenote I’m pretty happy with the draft for Software Dev and am ambivalent about the draft for 11 Information Technology.<u></u><u></u></p>
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