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<div>I also will take the time to fill out the feed back over the next few days. Having taught it apps for the last 4 years now. I can only see a tiny minority of students I've had benefit from this change. And even with my applied computing degree, I'm not
sure I'm prepared for this level of database. (Can definitely handle the current stuff with some good insight)</div>
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<div>Thanks for all your passion for the new draft Mark. Especially since you won't be directly teaching it (unlike the rest of us).</div>
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From: "Hawkins, Sean P" <br>
Date:12/05/2014 18:35 (GMT+10:00) <br>
To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [Year 12 SofDev] Fwd: The draft study design is on the table!
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<div>As a relatively new teacher, thanks for pointing this out. I showed my year 12 class the study design. They said that if "informatics" was the class they were currently taking, they'd have dropped out. </div>
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<div>I feel like this was turning IT into a statistics or business management class. That's a shame if this happens, as there's a lot of students who want to do IT, but might not have the ability for SD.</div>
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<div>I understand databases are important, but it could kill the subject for many students. </div>
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<div>Just my 2 cents. </div>
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<div>Sean Hawkins</div>
<div>Senior IT Teacher</div>
<div>Staughton College<br>
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On 12 May 2014, at 17:54, "Mark" <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks, Stephen, but please elaborate. Thanks for - what?
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<div>All we have had so far is evanescent tumbleweeds on this issue... passing breezes of insubstantial comment that barely raise a millibar of atmospheric pressure in these turbulent times.</div>
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<div>VCAA has proposed <b>seismic</b> changes to the philosophy and practice of VCE IT and these lists (which are probably the main non-VCAA fora of opinion) have so far largely sat mutely. </div>
<div>We sit like kittens stoically waving our paws in the air at tea time after we've been told that we will be fed only gherkins from now on.</div>
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<div>They (from VCAA) say "Oooh, OK then. No comment from the teaching community. Fine. Fine. Dat's OK. We must be right, then. Let's publish the draft then..." </div>
<div>VCAA will rubber-stamp the draft since noone has complained or commented. They will publish it and
<b>you</b> will have an OFFICIAL <b>2016-2020</b> IT STUDY DESIGN...</div>
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<div>And then the tornado of the new study design hits and the teachers go "But... but..." when it's too late. </div>
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<div>- And you know EXACTLY what the tornado is like. You can <b>see it coming. </b>You have been <b>told</b> by the friendly tornado that it is coming. </div>
<div>- It even tells you where and <b>when</b> it will land. <br>
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<div>- You know that everything will be <b>canon</b>. <b>Immutable</b>. <b>Unarguable</b>. For
<b>years</b>.</div>
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<div>- But people will still sit in their deckchairs watching it approach, and say "Well, let's see what happens... hell, just because we're sitting comfortably in deckchairs in a quiet street in Pamploma on July 14, what can go wrong?" </div>
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<div>This is the only metaphorical tornado that <b>can</b> be fought because it honestly tells you in draft form what it intends to do to you, your school, your classes, your career... This is the tornado that you
<b>can</b> and <b>need to</b> tackle.</div>
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<div><b>You have five days.</b></div>
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<div>Well, <b>four</b> now. It took me quite a few hours and glasses of Cab Merlot to draft this. I'll charge VCAA separately.</div>
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<div>Mark</div>
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<div>On 12 May 2014 16:29, Stephen Rosicka <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Stephen.Rosicka@galen.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Stephen.Rosicka@galen.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thanks…</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, May 12, 2014 at 4:20 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Year 11 Information Technology Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:yr11it@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">yr11it@edulists.com.au</a>>, Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>>,
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[Year 12 SofDev] Fwd: The draft study design is on the table!<br>
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<div>Psst. Hey, you. Yes, you. The IT teacher. </div>
<div>But mainly <i>you</i> - the <b>ITA</b> teacher.</div>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)">Remember that <b>feedback on the draft IT study design</b> stops on
<b><font color="#ff0000">17 May</font></b>. See below for quick links.<br>
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<div><span style="background-color:rgb(243,243,243)">Five days to go. </span></div>
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<div>If you teach <b><font color="#ff0000">ITA</font></b> and you love the idea of teaching
<b>databases</b> for most of the year in <i>Informatics</i>, you need do <b>nothing</b>.<br>
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<div>But here's a hypothesis...</div>
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<div>- If you do nothing you <b>won't</b> end up teaching databases for most of the year. Yay! What?<br>
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<div>- This is because when students hear that 'Informatics' == 'Databases', <b>none</b> of them will enrol for it.</div>
<div>- You will be teaching <b>Woodwork</b>. Or two <b>Year 9 Health</b> classes instead.</div>
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<div>Of course, that's just a hypothesis. But sharpen your chisels and unwrap your condoms - just in case.</div>
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<div>We know that <b>IT Applications</b> enrolments have been trending down for the past 5 years. </div>
<div>And I'd suggest this largely because databases have been mandated for the past 5 years in ITA.</div>
<div>And the new <b>Informatics</b> course wants to compound the injury by increasing the database component. </div>
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<div>Dammit, people. We've always had an <i>understanding:</i></div>
<div>- <b>Software Development</b> has always been for the unashamed IT lover who would watch "The Big Bang Theory" and laugh at the quantum physics jokes.I know I do.</div>
<div>- <b>ITA</b> (formerly IPM - Information Processing and Management) was for - let's be honest - the students who liked using computers but couldn't get into Media Studies. It was a fun, easy subject with low skill expectations on arrival, and a useful
skill set on graduation. It was marked down as a VCE study, but everyone knew that and accepted that. It was
<i>understood</i>.</div>
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<div>The draft study design seems to want to make ITA an ultrageeknerd study, chockablock with
<i>pure database science...</i>the sort of study that would not be "marked down" and would stand proudly against a "real science" like physics or chemistry.</div>
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<div>But is that what <i>Informatics</i> is supposed to be? A rigorous, intellectually-demanding, highly academic investigation of esoteric theory that tertiary graduates require for a career in a narrow corner of the IT industry? If so, it destroys the attraction
of a subject for general ICT skill development. </div>
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<div>VCE Maths has all sorts of streams for students who (1) want to get through year 12 and (2) want to become a maths/science professional.</div>
<div>Why can't VCE IT do the same, as it has always done? </div>
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<div>Let's retain a unit 3/4 IT subject for those who couldn't give a flying fuschia for fancy further specialist studies. How many students would choose VCE Biology units 3 and 4 if three of the four outcomes were on
<i>cellular slime mould</i>, and the other one was on <i>everything else</i>?</div>
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<div>These lists have been a whistling desert breeze, a lonely rolling tumbleweed of discussion on the crucial issue of this draft IT study design.<br>
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<div>- Are people <font color="#4c1130">passionately in favour of increased database content in ITA and are silent in anticipation of its arrival</font>? (Yay! More databases!)</div>
<div>- Are people <font color="#4c1130">writing passionate feedback in defence or defiance of the draft to the
<a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CRDVJ25" target="_blank">VCAA survey</a></font>, and are silent here?</div>
<div>- Are people just <font color="#4c1130">passively waiting to be fed whatever VCAA pushes into their cages</font>, and quietly grumble "I don't like that much" for the next 5 years?</div>
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<div>Your only chance is <b>now</b>. </div>
<div>And you have only <b>five</b> days.</div>
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<div>If you have an opinion <b>express it here on the Edulist forums</b> as well as on the
<a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CRDVJ25" target="_blank">VCAA survey site</a>. </div>
<div>You might <b>inspire others</b> to think and respond.</div>
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<div>But I don't have to worry. </div>
<div>- <b>I</b> have the beach, red wine, and a thousand fine (and bad) old movies to amuse me during periods 3 and 4 on a Tuesday. </div>
<div><b>- You </b>will have year 12 <i>Informatics</i> with yet <i>another</i> database outcome coming up, and the kids still don't really understand how 2NF differs from 3NF even after your eleven prior attempts to explain it, even with your hand puppets.</div>
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<div><font size="4" color="#741b47" style="background-color:rgb(0,255,0)">So, if you teach VCE IT...</font></div>
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<div>Read the draft - <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/infotech/ComputingSD-consultation-draft.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/infotech/ComputingSD-consultation-draft.pdf</a><br>
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<div>Read the Summary of changes - <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/infotech/VCE_InfoTech_summary_changes.doc" target="_blank">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Documents/vce/infotech/VCE_InfoTech_summary_changes.doc</a></div>
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<div><b>But for Dog's sake, <font color="#351c75">whether you agree with me or not</font>, go here and say
<font color="#ff0000">something</font> -</b> <a href="http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CRDVJ25" target="_blank">http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/CRDVJ25</a></div>
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<div>Otherwise, you know what the next 5 years will be like for you: <i>Countersinks</i>.
<i>Chlamydia</i>...</div>
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<div>Mark Kelly (amateur troublemaker)<br>
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<div>mark AT vceit DOT com</div>
<div><a href="http://vceit.com" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a></div>
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<div><i>Everything new draft study design is a chance to make the VCE world a better place. -
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<div>Mark Kelly</div>
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