<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Matthew<div>I am still in favour of a subject called business computing run by the business people for business that sets students up to be able to work in an office and is just training like they do in TAFE</div><div>I truly believe there is a place for just learning how to use software for commerce etc</div><div>Maybe let it be a VET subject and be offered for students who just want to learn some skills that they can't learn themselves through using google and you-tube.</div><div><br></div><div>Then in our subject we can teach students to think like they do in Chemistry, History and English Literature rather than just teach them how to use a bunch of business software.</div><div><br></div><div>People often complain that our subject is significantly scaled down by VTAC unlike Chemistry, History and English Literature.</div><div><br><div>Please don't let me be the lone voice calling for a Business Computing (maybe VET) subject.</div><div><br></div><div>Surely there must be more teachers out there who would be happy teaching a Business Computing type of course</div><div>And students who want to learn a few introductory skills about different types of software</div><div><br></div><div>When you fill in the survey <b>PLEASE</b> make sure you let VCAA know that they need <b>another</b> subject to fill this type of need</div><div>I have put that in my response.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 15/04/2014, at 10:38 PM, "Elliott, Matthew M" <<a href="mailto:elliott.matthew.m@edumail.vic.gov.au">elliott.matthew.m@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">The proposed VCE IT Apps Study Design... opinions?<br><br>To put it lightly, I'm very concerned.<br><br>We just got kids picking U1/U2 IT and U3/U4 IT Apps again after a couple of years without a class in either - 22 kids across both classes in a small senior school was something we were quite proud of - and will now lead them elsewhere (probably towards VCE VET IT, SD or perhaps even VET Digital Media).<br><br>Do the people at VCAA (the IT writers anyway) ever consider the skills and interests of teachers/students when making changes to courses? We are working hard to learn all aspects of this study design, with databases being an area of weakness. Everytime I go to a VCE IT Conference it is filled with a) Gurus who know everything and b) Suckers who are battling for the good of their kids. I think I fall somewhere in between currently but I will quickly become a 'B' if this draft passes through.<br><br>Really disappointed. I was hoping that the current topics would be updated to meet modern demands. I understand databases may be what the industry wants but surely it would be better to give students a wide range of skills to increase their confidence and skills. Then, when they go to university, they might choose specialisations in areas of industry need. It also takes away the attractiveness of this subject for those who are not looking for an IT career but see the value of having these skills for other occupations (Commerce etc.).<br><br>Sorry for the strong language but I'm really frustrated about this.<br><br>Matt<br>________________________________________<br>From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of <a href="mailto:itapps-request@edulists.com.au">itapps-request@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-request@edulists.com.au">itapps-request@edulists.com.au</a>]<br>Sent: Monday, 14 April 2014 12:00 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a><br>Subject: itapps Digest, Vol 110, Issue 16<br><br>Send itapps mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> <a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/itapps">http://www.edulists.com.au/mailman/listinfo/itapps</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> <a href="mailto:itapps-request@edulists.com.au">itapps-request@edulists.com.au</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:itapps-owner@edulists.com.au">itapps-owner@edulists.com.au</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of itapps digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: Draft study design feedback (Andrew Shortell)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2014 11:52:46 +1000<br>From: Andrew Shortell <<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Draft study design feedback<br>To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"<br> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>Cc: Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br> <<a href="mailto:sofdev@edulists.com.au">sofdev@edulists.com.au</a>><br>Message-ID: <38642E4D-7097-4506-96C4-1AC28B3744E1@<a href="http://get2me.net">get2me.net</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>It is nice to have a fresh set of eyes read the document<br><br>When you read the Computing: Informatics units of the Study remember the purpose of the whole study is to promote learning. Anyone can learn bits about any application but the old IPM and ITA did not step far beyond that.<br><br>CI does more.<br><br>Here is a great opportunity for some people to produce teaching resources for those teachers who are afraid of databases.<br>And a great opportunity to move away from MicroSloth (Hat-tip to Mike Brookes) if one wants to work with good databases.<br><br>I hope everyone reads it all carefully especially the new SAT which will make authentication clearer as most students will work with different data-sets in CI and with a different user interface in software Development.<br><br>I like CI as a name.<br><br>Imagine how good it will be to challenge students to think and then reflect on their thinking rather than just doing something simple with a piece of software and then another piece of software and then another piece of software. SAC after SAC after SAC<br><br>Exciting times ahead<br><br>Andrew<br><br>Andrew Shortell<br>CRC Melton<br><br>On 14/04/2014, at 9:31 AM, Mark wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">G'day, working class.<br><br>I've gone through the draft study design's glossary and Informatics sections so far. 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