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<div>The end goal though is the exam. Examiners don't like storing calculated fields. End of discussion in my books. </div>
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 9:47 pm, "Andrew Shortell" <<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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On 26 Mar 2014, at 8:35 pm, Litsa Tzelepis <<a href="mailto:htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au">htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I'm sure calculated<span></span> fields are in the software tools list though.
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On Wednesday, March 26, 2014, John Schwartz <<a href="mailto:schwartz@melbpc.org.au">schwartz@melbpc.org.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Can’t really see the value of calculated fields in Access, maybe it is because I come at it from an SQL perspective but it represents fairly dodgy database practice methinks.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I don’t think I’ll be including it at present; students should be using forms (and attendant query) in datasheet view for such operations IMHO<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] MS Access - Calculated fields<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Personally, the only situation I can see that might justify a value that is calculated once and then stored in a field (as Access 2010 seems to do), is where you need to squeeze
every bit of performance out of the dbms that you can; for example, if you had a truck load of data that had to be pulled frequently, calculating a new value each time (either by query or on the fly like FileMaker) could slow retrieval down. But I can't see
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Just looking into Outcome 2 and looking at the 2010 version of MS Access. I hadn’t noticed before, but you can now create a calculated field in the table definitions. This means
that not only does it do the calculation (duh) but stores that value too, so you no longer have to create a query to do that.
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Now, I always stress to my cherubs that one of the primary reasons for making a database is to reduce the amount of space the data is going to take up. This new ‘feature’ does the reverse. Given
hard drives are so cheap and our down databases are comparatively quite small, it doesn’t really affect SAC scenarios……… but should we be teaching best practices or “The Way of the Access”? How do others feel about this?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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