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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I did do a bit of further digging on the MS forums, apparently this is value is actually stored, and has been created for those odd occasions where you need it
stored eg giving someone a special 1 off discounted price on a quote…. But I still don’t think it’s “proper”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-AU"> John Schwartz
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 15 February 2014 4:47 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] MS Access - Calculated fields<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also what he said.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always considered Access tables as the storage point for data, while queries are the means to display the information. That means you can store the data in the most efficient manner without regard to the information intended for display.
This also allows for that data to be used easily to display information not anticipated when the DB is created.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">John S. Schwartz<o:p></o:p></p>
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On 14 Feb 2014, at 9:20 am, "Mark Scott" <<a href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-AU">
<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart Walkerden (STUW)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 14 February 2014 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] MS Access - Calculated fields</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good Morning everyone</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have often told my students with respect to Microsoft “Just because you can doesn’t mean you should”. I reckon we should continue to use queries for calculated fields for the following reasons:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">The VCAA website states that students should “create, edit and use queries”. We can sort in tables and sort and group in reports, so although in Access we may not need queries, we must teach students to use them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D">My understanding of normalisation is that we remove fields dependent on other fields (i.e. calculated fields).
</span><b><span style="color:red">Question 9 on the 2012 exam and the examiner’s report, expects students to remove calculated fields as part of normalisation.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Stuart Walkerden</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>ATKINSON-BUCK, Damien<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 13 February 2014 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] MS Access - Calculated fields</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Just looking into Outcome 2 and looking at the 2010 version of MS Access. I hadn’t noticed before, but you can now create a calculated field in the table definitions.
This means that not only does it do the calculation (duh) but stores that value too, so you no longer have to create a query to do that.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Now, I always stress to my cherubs that one of the primary reasons for making a database is to reduce the amount of space the data is going to take up. This new ‘feature’ does
the reverse. Given hard drives are so cheap and our down databases are comparatively quite small, it doesn’t really affect SAC scenarios……… but should we be teaching best practices or “The Way of the Access”? How do others feel about this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Cheers</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Damien</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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