<div dir="ltr">Hi Glenda.<div><br></div><div>I read "boat hours" as a <b>running total</b> of all hires because the sample data does not show any boat appearing more than once. <div>There seemed to be no need in the question for a record of <b>each</b> hire. </div>
<div><div><br></div></div></div><div>And yes, I agree about 2NF. </div><div>Would a database engineer <b>ever</b> sit down and say, "OK. I'm deliberately going to design this database for 2NF, but not 3NF!"</div>
<div>Quibbling over the dividing line between 2NF and 3NF seems to be a pedantic point for professors to pontificate.</div><div><br></div><div>And as for the kids... I can't imagine breathless year 11s filling in their year 12 subject selection sheets saying, "I'm going for IT Applications because I hear we learn how second normal form is different to third normal form. Golly! I can't wait. It's like design elements, but a whole lot more dull and confusing."</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div><div>Mark</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 November 2013 10:49, Harper, Glenda J <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:harper.glenda.j@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">harper.glenda.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">Just picking up on the normalisation question (7a):
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">The ‘(2NF)’ note is pretty much irrelevant (and few ‘experts’ seem to agree on just how to separate the normal forms) because the requirement is, quite naturally,
to have each non-key fully dependent on a key field. This means that there must be a Boat table and a ‘Hiring’. Table. Captain fields can all go into the boat table (1-1 relationship between boat and captain) but the boat hours can’t – or each boat could
only be hired once.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">Tables need to be:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">tblBoat: BoatName (key)BoatLocation; . . . all the rest
<b><i>except</i></b> BoatHours, because this is not fully dependent on the Pkey; for every boat, there will be many hires (boat hours)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">tblHire: HireCode (key - could be autonumber); BoatName (foreign key); BoatHours . . . and any other hire specifics – date, time . . ..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#365f91">Anyway, Mark, thanks heaps for all of your hard work (and enjoy that beer!)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634">Glenda Harper<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634">Educational Leader – Timetable and e-Learning<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634">Carwatha College P-12<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#365f91"><a href="mailto:harper.glenda.j@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">harper.glenda.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</span></a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634">Ph: 9795 5848<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#943634">Fax: 9790 1712<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 7 November 2013 10:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] ITA exam - B10b (i)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Remember that what is in the textbook is not gospel, and the study design does not mandate detailed working knowledge of PHP, PERL etc (unless you count it as being buried under "software requirements for setting up websites" in U3O1 KK4.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It doesn't even expect students to know the most fundamental concepts of HTML or CSS !<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And while I'm on the matter, I think that in the new study design ITA
<b>should</b> man up and include basic HTML and CSS knowledge. It would not encroach upon SD's territory, and it would give students more to do in exams and SACs than minutely dissecting the definitions of words in questions. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And some of the mandated definitions themselves are open to dispute, e.g. the study design says that 'efficiency' includes ease of use, but I would argue that ease of use is not a productivity issue, it's a quality issue and should be under
effectiveness. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Similarly, the study design dictates that evaluation criteria must be developed during the design phase of the PSM. Why? It does not make sense. Solution requirements are determined during analysis. Why should the corresponding evaluation
criteria not be determined then as well? Why wait until the solution is being assembled to decide how to determine if it's going to be a success or not? Yet every year, kids are grilled on when evaluation criteria are determined. It's not like medical school
where there are jolly good reasons for doing things a particular way: several ITA key knowledge dotpoints are largely a matter of opinion by VCAA and should not be examined as if they were fundamental laws of nature. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The VCAA format of ERD diagrams is a case in point - it seems totally arbitrary. The choice of the Chen style is arbitrary. Its use of shading to represent key fields is not only arbitrary, it seems to be a VCAA invention that you will
not find in the real Chen style. Please set me right on this point if you know better. Yet students gain or lose marks on their final exam for whether or not they know this obscure, unconventional formatting 'convention'.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After going through this year's exam carefully, I am getting more and more worried that ITA is becoming bogged down in intricate questions of subtle definitions (e.g. what is included under 'function design elements', and losing the bigger
picture of the importance of IT applications (with a lowercase "a").<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Databases are done to death. The normalisation theory is important to students to
<b>apply</b>, but expecting them to distinguish between 2NF and 3NF is unnecessarily dull and narrow. University students should do that... not year 12s. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Fortunately, this year's normalisation question was far more reasonable than that of 2012, but it still wanted students to only apply 2NF. Why? Surely students should aim for 3NF as a matter of course (and by using key fields for each
table, 2NF problems effectively automatically disappear.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Apart from RDBMS, webpage editors, and possibly spreadsheets, and what other software applications do kids study? Nothing. They can get through a year of studying IT applications any only use
<b>two</b> applications. Would year 12 History: Revolutions feel complete only studying 2 revolutions all year? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the past students needed project management software for their Gantt/PERT charts, and applications like 'Inspiration' for showing the representation of thinking, but they are gone now.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We're left with databases and webpage editors - and up to 40% of the exam's marks come from these. See the
<a href="http://vceit.com/p/postmortem-2013i.htm#marking" target="_blank">marking breakdown</a> I worked out.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Where is graphics editing? Sure it can be used when making a webpage, but it's not
<b>required</b>. Where is theory on picture and video formats? Kids work every day with JPG, MKV etc but it's nowhere in the key knowledge.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What about audio? Kids use MP3 all day, but do they know the differences between it and FLAC? Why could this not be incorporated?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What about artificial intelligence?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What about HDD/SSD, USB, SATA, CPU/GPU? Applications cannot run without them, yet only the OS is mentioned in the study design. The closest we get to meaty hardware is vague "key hardware and software components" references relating to
networking in U3O1, which could include years of study (yet only attract one mark for proxy servers in the 2013 exam.)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- What other IT topics or applications do you think should make an appearance?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:red">Rant finishes</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I feel better now. I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings, as I usually seem to do. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now to pack away the dancing girls and head for the beach. Ah, retirement can be hard.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mark<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 6 November 2013 18:57, Howard, David <<a href="mailto:dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">dhoward@stmichaels.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">My only thought so far is that there is a small section in the text book about PHP and ASP being used to make web pages dynamic…<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I am glad that I am not marking the exam this year!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">David<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>><br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>Year List <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 6 November 2013 6:45 pm<br>
<b>To: </b>Year List <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] ITA exam - B10b (i)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm now feeling that the examiners did really expect kids to say, basically, "Type the price into a web page editor with a QWERTY keyboard, save the HTML file, and upload
it to the web server with FTP." <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sigh.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On 6 November 2013 17:26, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hi all. I'm nearing the end of the post mortem, but this is turning into one of the dodgiest ITA exams I've seen in some time. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Take this delight hiding in section B, Q10b part (i)...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"i. Describe how the manager can identify and display on a web page the cheapest fruit available."<br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'd like you all to pause for a moment and plan an answer to that in your heads. I'll wait. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Finished? Are you sure? <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Yes, a quick =MIN(C2:C5) formula," you say.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">But have you noticed the words "<b>and display on a web page</b>"?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Try answering it
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Assuming that someone doesn't just
<b>look</b> at the price onscreen and <b>type</b> it into a webpage manually with a webpage editor, do the examiners want kids to explain some ColdFusion, DDE link, SQL, or PHP code to magically extract a value from a spreadsheet/database and inject it into
a dynamic web page?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And even if we
<b>did</b> just use the MIN function, it would only display the <b>value</b> of the lowest price, not the
<b>name</b> of the cheapest fruit... that's an achievable, but very different kettle of fish.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And it's worth all of
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I'm dying to see what the examiner's report gives as a model answer...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">mark AT vceit DOT com<u></u><u></u></p>
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