<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Now I am curious .. wondering out aloud if countries insist upon anything other than traditional alphanumeric characters? <div><br></div><div>From memory in London, the two letters at the end of the postcode numbers were only used to help divide up the mail for the postal delivery routes. Nothing special but I may be wrong.<div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 03/06/2013, at 2:20 PM, Andrew Shortell <<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">also in USA there are ZIP codes that begin with two leading zeros <div><br></div><div>Quote: </div><div><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">many of the lowest ZIP codes, which begin with '0', are in the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England" title="New England" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">New England</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> region. Also in the '0' region are </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey" title="New Jersey" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">New Jersey</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> (non-contiguous with the remainder of the '0' area), </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico" title="Puerto Rico" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Puerto Rico</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">, the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Virgin_Islands" title="US Virgin Islands" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">US Virgin Islands</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> and </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APO/FPO" title="APO/FPO" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">APO/FPO</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> military addresses for personnel stationed in </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe" title="Europe" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Europe</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">, </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa" title="Africa" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Africa</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">, </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Asia" title="Southwest Asia" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Southwest Asia</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> and aboard vessels based in the waters adjoining those lands; APO/FPO addresses are also used by U.S. diplomatic and consulary facilities. The lowest ZIP code is in </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holtsville,_New_York" title="Holtsville, New York" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">Holtsville, New York</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> (00501, a ZIP code exclusively for the </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Internal_Revenue_Service" title="U.S. Internal Revenue Service" class="mw-redirect" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(11, 0, 128); background-image: none; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; ">U.S. Internal Revenue Service</a><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 19px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "> center there). </span></div><div><br></div><div>source <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_Codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_Codes</a></div><div><br></div><div>Also they too have postcodes/zip codes that cross state boundaries for post office convenience</div><div><br></div><div>This has certainly become esoteric and thus fascinating!</div><div>Andrew </div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 03/06/2013, at 1:17 PM, Roland Gesthuizen <<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The town of Barooga, NSW has the postcode of 3644 as it uses the Cobram, VIC postoffice on the other side of the Murray River</span><div><br></div><div>There is more! Here is a nice table of exceptions to the postcode database validation rule that many are probably thinking of building. It is a fascinating share to me by Paul Cowan from Google who I met at a CS4HS workshop</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcodes_in_Australia#Allocation">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postcodes_in_Australia#Allocation</a></div><div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>I like the original thought that Mark shared .. if you do maths with it, then it is probably a number. If not, then play safe and leave it as a text field.</div><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 03/06/2013, at 10:50 AM, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Also OT. <div><br></div><div>An interesting read about memory tricks is "Moonwalking with Einstein" by Joshua Foer. It does destroy the romance of eidetic memory, somewhat, but if you've ever needed to memorise the position of every card in 54 packs, it's very good reading.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 June 2013 23:40, Roland Gesthuizen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">Warning, off topic.<div><br></div><div>During a tour of the USA our family heard a human memory chip at a street show who was guessing the location of places when people suggested to him a random town or postcode. My kids thought to toss him a wild one by shouting out our postcode. He grinned and politely asked if there were Australian. When they indicated yes he grinned and after a moments hesitation, correctly quoted the name of our suburb. Later as he counted coins from his cat-in-the-hat prop he explained that Australians made it really easy to memorise postcodes with some basic rules and algorithms that have already been mentioned.<div>
<br></div><div>I'm still not sure, Learning Klingon still seems easier by comparison.<br><div>
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<br>Regards Roland<br><br><b>Roland Gesthuizen</b> | eLearning Leader <br>Keysborough College DEECD<br><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen" target="_blank">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a></div><div style="text-indent:0px;letter-spacing:normal;font-variant:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;font-style:normal;line-height:normal;text-transform:none;font-size:medium;white-space:normal;font-family:Helvetica;word-wrap:break-word;word-spacing:0px">
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<br><div><div>On 30/05/2013, at 11:57 AM, Mark <<a href="mailto:mark@vceit.com" target="_blank">mark@vceit.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Phone numbers will never have arithmetic done to them, but I'm sure postcodes will - to find neighbouring regions, for example, for mailouts.<div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 30 May 2013 09:18, Mark Scott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There is a quite simple rule that I teach my students<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Data is formatted as a number only if it might be used in a formula.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Postcodes and phone numbers won’t ever be used in a formula so they are text.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mark Scott<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Luther College<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> </span></p><p><br></p></div></blockquote></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="ltr">--<div>Mark Kelly</div><div>mark AT vceit DOT com</div><div><a href="http://vceit.com/" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a></div>
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