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<div>I'd replace the word "formula" in that little rule with the word "calculation". When I describe it for students, I talk about whether you would ever run a calculation on the field. If so: number, if not: text. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, 30 May 2013 9:45 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Data type for postcode<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hi Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">How about a situation where a student was given a list of towns and their postcodes, and by examining their postcode, they were required to align
the town to an Australian state? Would you consider that to be applying a formula to a postcode?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I know the same approach could be used by examining the first character of a “text” postcode, but are we still applying a formula to a postcode?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Scott<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 May 2013 9:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Data type for postcode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">There is a quite simple rule that I teach my students<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Data is formatted as a number only if it might be used in a formula.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Postcodes and phone numbers won’t ever be used in a formula so they are text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Litsa Tzelepis<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 30 May 2013 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Data type for postcode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Just jumping in at the last minute – for what it’s worth and sorry if I missed something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Can’t we just look at the data provided in a question and decide form there?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Like if a question said –
<b>what data type is this 0410 555 555 – that would be text; 0410555555 – that would be number</b>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">It’s pretty impossible to determine every possible scenario that a data item can be? Especially a postcode.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">A data type question should not be that complicated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wayne Eglinton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 29 May 2013 9:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Data type for postcode<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">living in the NT ... I'm fully aware of the 0 lead character in postcodes. Too bad web-developers don't consider using text for post/zipcodes fields ... often
we can't subscribe etc... It can seriously be a pain - and we just go to another website... bad for their business!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 28 May 2013 13:20<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I reckon if it looks like a number, treat it as a number and use a number field type. Whether you perform calculations on it or not is irrelevant.
I have always told my students to use postcode as a number and phone as text to allow for leading 0. I wasn’t aware of NT postcodes. I may have to change my line.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Stuart Walkerden</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Athena Spyratos<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 28 May 2013 7:47 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Data type for postcode</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black; ">Do we declare the data type for Postcode as number or text? In database, if we apply a validation rule for a Victorian postcode as being between 3000 and 3999,
then we declare it as a number. However going over one of the past exam multiple choice questions, the answer they wanted for the data type for Postcode was text. Which answer are the examiners looking for?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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