<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://314/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">hi All<div><br></div><div>I like Mark's analogy of the worms.</div><div><br></div><div>I take the attitude that they are going to work on this at home if they want to do well. They will practise.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I always tell them that any demonstrated leaps in understanding will need to be explained in detail and then demonstrated and explained and if that I am not satisfied then they will need to explain to an authentication panel so that the authentication panel understands too.</div><div><br></div><div>I also remind them that rank order is the imperative - not the actual mark. Students remain very conscious of the rank order as they know that the sac marks are changed to match the GROUP's exam marks (deliberate caps)</div><div><br></div><div>thus they know that they need to claw their way up the rank order. So anyone who is suspicious is encouraged to alert me to sudden changes in "demonstrated levels of understanding" - i.e. I think so and so is cheating and will bring me down ...</div><div><br></div><div>in General I find that the ones most likely to cheat are the ones who are not going to do well anyway. Thus if they do well then I become very publicly suspicious ... and that is quite a sight (as those who know me can attest!! )</div><div><br></div><div>This year I had two students submit a part of their SAC that was word for word including full stops incorrectly placed. So the authentication panel gave them both zero for that section. in a class of ten it becomes very obvious who might have done that. My SofDev class has 24 but even there it is easy to spot copying...</div><div><br></div><div>Authentication in and of itself is all about the students doing their own work. If they go home and research the stuff and then learn something and are able to apply it and explain it and understand it and show that they have not got it from someone else and that it is their own work then...it is authentically theirs.</div><div><br></div><div>BUT if they cannot explain it then it could not be theirs. That, with me, is a very high hurdle.</div><div><br></div><div>any way a student wants help with their SAC so i better go and say "this is a SAC"</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On 27/05/2013, at 11:36 AM, "Savage, John L" <<a href="mailto:savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au">savage.john.l@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-AU" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I find the manilla folder trick is great for the student’s design and planning documents and any other written work. It also means I can record their work as they go. I have a small group this year so I can spread them out in the room. Interesting idea about the Assessment Account logins, I might give that a try.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:itapps-<a href="mailto:bounces@edulists.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Mark<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 24 May 2013 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] AUThENTICATION<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Hi Christopher.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">This is a big can of worms with a sharp lid. Even after taking heroic measures, it is impossible to guarantee there will be no unfair advantages taken by students.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Even if you cut off access to their normal network drives durings SACS, cut off email, disable all messaging apps, glue up USB ports, confiscate phones... there will be a dozen other new tricks you couldn't have anticipated.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I watched their progress carefully in class, copied work-in-progress after each work session (mainly of the untrustworthy kids) from their network drives, and recorded who was sitting next to whom... This is particularly valuable since the kids who will cheat usually aren't clever enough to do it in a sophisticated manner: they will simply copy their neighbour and when their work is marked immediately after their neighbour's, similarities become immediately obvious.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Most of all, I watch out for supernatural overnight improvements in students' performance. If I see a 300% increase in output and quality, a few well-placed questions such as "Why did you do this that way?" and "This is an interesting technique... can you explain it to me?" usually sorts things out pretty quickly.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">And bluffing is always useful. Remind the kids of magical network tools that automatically detect changes to SAC files created outside of SAC periods. And simply looking at the time stamps of kids' SAC files is an easy way to catch out kids who have not mastered the art of 'touching' file timestamps.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">And of course, the best source of info about cheating will always be the good kids in the class who are really aggrieved that their honest efforts are being eroded. They will often quickly let you know who is worthy of suspicion.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Good luck.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Mark<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Gentleman of Leisure.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Currently recuperating from coronary bypass surgery at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vceit.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">vceit.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>headquarters.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 24 May 2013 12:20, Christopher Jansen <<a href="mailto:christopherj@sjc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">christopherj@sjc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">From the study design.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">“Work related to the outcomes of each unit will be accepted only if the teacher can attest that, to the<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">best of their knowledge, all unacknowledged work is the student’s own. Teachers need to refer to the<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">current VCE and VCAL Administrative Handbook for authentication procedures.”<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">As our SAC’s go over a number of periods how do people go about making sure that none of the work is done outside class to create a fair assessment for all?<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Currently I have them work on USB. Of course they could simply work on a copy of the work and add it to the USB. It is more of a trick than anything? I also monitor the students work in class by looking over shoulders etc.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Does anyone have any other system to keep things fair.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div><table class="MsoNormalTable" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse: collapse; "><tbody><tr><td width="395" colspan="2" valign="top" style="width: 296pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; "><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Christopher Jansen<br>Information Technology and Mathematics Teacher</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="121" valign="top" style="width: 90.45pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "> <o:p></o:p></div></td><td width="274" valign="top" style="width: 205.55pt; padding: 0cm 5.4pt; "><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: red; ">St Joseph's College Geelong</span></b><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; color: navy; "><br></span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; ">135 Aphrasia Street, Newtown Vic 3220<br>Ph Office: 03 5226 8100<br>Fax: 03 5221 6983<br></span><span style="font-family: 'Gill Sans MT', sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.sjc.vic.edu.au/" target="_blank" title="blocked::http://www.sjc.vic.edu.au/
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