<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"><base href="x-msg://24/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Sydney Uni programming students Nicky and Georgina spoke briefly to my year 11 students during the NCSS Python Programming Challenge using a Google Hangout. I can highly recommend both the challenge and the pivotal role these girls have played. My year 11 IT girls have now gone on to enrol in my year 12 IT class. <div><br></div><div>I think that providing positive, young role models such as these fantastic tertiary students can really help to reverse the trend.<br><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Regards Roland</div><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><b>Roland Gesthuizen</b> | eLearning Leader <br>Keysborough College DEECD<br><a href="http://about.me/rgesthuizen">http://about.me/rgesthuizen</a></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br>"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead</div></div></div>
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<br><div><div>On 29/11/2012, at 10:01 PM, "Bane, Janet A" <<a href="mailto:bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">bane.janet.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; ">Hi Mark<br><br>Just noticed that you haven't had a girl in your ITA class since 2008. I have also noticed a steady decline in the number of girls choosing IT and its something that concerns me, not just as a teacher,, but from the standpoint that girls don't see IT as a possible career or something that they would enjoy or be good at. I am not teaching year 12 this year, but my Year 11 class only had 3 girls in semester 1, then it got down to 2 in Semester 2. Now we have "stepped up" to 2013, there is only one girl, and 24 boys in my Year 11 IT class. Year 10 classes have shown the same trend.<br><br>I think its time that IT had a "makeover", in terms of finding out what things would appeal to girls. From my experience they tend to enjoy projects where they can explore their creativity, rather than being overly technical. I think its time to acknowledge that some aspects of the current course are turning students off (male and female) as VCE numbers are in decline.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>We need to have a serious think about how we can attract students back to IT, in particular girls who make up 50% of the VCE cohort otherwise we will all eventually be out of a job. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>what do others think?<br><br>Janet Bane<br>Patterson River SC<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-size: 16px; "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF786381" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] on behalf of Mark KELLY [<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, 29 November 2012 8:22 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Questions to test understanding<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div>G'day Liam.</div><div><br></div>This topic could become an Edulist topic in its own right. Writing questions is as much art as science, and usually based on lots of experience of how students typically think and respond. Perhaps this is why some exam questions written by advanced IT academics who don't actually teach 16-17 year olds occasionally go wrong?<div><br></div><div>I've just finished writing 2 ITA exams and - thinking back - a lot of my writing was based on predicting what an average kid of mine would read and how he/she* would respond. The challenge is to write questions to differentiate between D, C, B, and A+ students fairly, and give each of them a chance to show what they know.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I also learn a lot from classic bad questions I've seen in exams: those that are too easy, removed from the study design, vaguely worded, ambiguous, confusing, incorrect in fact. Some questions are fine, but the suggested answers are the problem: this is a big problem with VCAA exams since you can't complain about an answer after the exams have been marked.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But your average exam will have a very few low-level Bloom taxonomy questions: define this word etc. One or two, to settle students' nerves at the start of section A and B. The majority of them, however, should be getting students to apply their knowledge in a given context, and justifying their opinions.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And I agree with other posters: you need to abide by exam conventions, but also sometimes break out and challenge kids with unexpected (but fair and relevant) means of assessing their understanding.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I keep telling my kids all year: your job is to fill your Bucket O' Knowledge with ITA facts. Your payday comes when you select relevant facts from the bucket and apply them to a question in an exam or outcome. It's the judgement you get marks for, not the memorization of words and definitions.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Dammit. This post has already started to become a thesis. Time to stop.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Good question, though, Liam. It's one I don't usually think about consciously, but it lurks, unuttered in my exam-writing reptilian brain stem.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Mark</div><div class="gmail_extra">-- </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">* (dammit- it's "he" - no girls in my ITA classes since 2008!) <br><br>--</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 29 November 2012 17:29, O'Grady, Liam A<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:o'grady.liam.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">o'grady.liam.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><div lang="EN-AU"><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Hi Everyone,<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">What makes a good exam/test question for IT? Do you have any that you would be happy to share?<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Recently I was writing my yr 11 exams and trying to improve the questions I had that really give kids a chance to show their understanding of IT. The following questions arose in this process:<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><u></u>How much should questions be about factual recall and how much about how to apply the knowledge?<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><u></u>What is a good question?<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u><span>3.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><u></u>How could we write questions that are interesting enough that the kids want to answer them?<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u><span>4.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><u></u>How can we write a good question and make it easy to mark? For example, the question below whilst having scope for more detailed answers could also be harder to mark fairly.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">One question I came up with is below. This is NOT a model question – just my attempt to get the ball rolling.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><b>Question 7<u></u><u></u></b></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">St Mungo’s is a large hospital network with hospitals in all Australian capital cities. All computer servers run from a datacentre in the main hospital in Hobart. These servers contain all the electronic information used by the hospital. This includes patient medical records, billing details, medical operations scheduling, staff details and the ordering system for medical supplies. All other branches connect to the datacentre via a VPN connection through the Internet.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">They are thinking about moving to Cloud Computing because it is very expensive running their own datacentre in terms of staff and hardware. A couple of times recently there have been power failures in the datacentre which has meant that none of the hospitals could access the information needed to run.<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 18pt; text-align: justify; "><u></u><span>a)<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span><u></u>What would you recommend that they do? Justify your recommendation. (4 Marks)<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><u></u> <u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Cheers<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Liam O’Grady<u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Brunswick Secondary College<u></u><u></u></div></div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "></p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><b>Important -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. Before opening or using attachments check them for viruses and defects. 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