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color:#1F497D'>Much as I dislike working with Access and prefer FMP for my own
projects, its terminology seems closer to standard Database terminology and
hence more generalised than FMP probably because of the underlying SQL. Because
of this I feel it is a better introduction to enterprise database software. Simple
examples of its consistency with its big brothers (Oracle, DB2, MSSQL, MySQL,
PostGRES etc) are its use of a tables metaphor for data storage, left and
right joins and the creation of calculations through queries rather than
embedding them and the data in forms(panels?).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rob Minato<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 8 June 2012 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RDBMS systems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>We are a mac school and use FMP. I also find it easier than
access but then again haven't used access for many years.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I do find it a pain, as do my students, when doing past
exams that are written in access terminology. I think the VCAA exams should be
neutral in their terminology to cater for the different applications on the
market.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Yes, we are a Mac school. Used FileMaker for the first time
this year. I have always used Access in previous schools. I found FileMaker to
be easier to use despite having used Access for about 10 years. Definitely
agree that using either Access or Filemaker is best so as to limit terminology
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 09:20:12 +1000<br>
From: "Rob Mercer" <RMercer@salesianchad.vic.edu.au><br>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RDBMS systems<br>
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Hi Brad,<br>
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The list can correct me if I am wrong but most of the state would use<br>
Access, with some schools using File Maker. I believe there is sometimes<br>
issues on assessments with differences in terminology between the<br>
packages for that reason I would personally stick with the most commonly<br>
used package. <br>
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Any File Maker fans out there? Mac schools, I'm looking at you.<br>
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[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of McCall, Brad C<br>
Sent: Friday, 8 June 2012 9:01 AM<br>
To: itapps@edulists.com.au<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] RDBMS systems<br>
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Good morning, <br>
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I am just after some advice about RDBMS systems.<br>
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I am new to teaching year 12 IT and we have been using Access. <br>
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Could you recommend another RDBMS system for the school to purchase.<br>
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