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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ok that was a joke – My wife teaches Psych so I’m always getting into her about it! They are very protective of its status. I inform her that I studied Computer Science, so why aren’t we included?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here is something to sort the wheat from the chaff, so to speak next year in IT Apps. Start databases with……<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“A SQL query walks into a bar. Up the other end are two tables. The query walks up to them and asks ‘Mind if I join you?’”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If the students don’t laugh then you should recommend they do another subject. When I told it I heard crickets!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Trav<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hind<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 12:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Hi Travis,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>It doesn't matter what you or I or even your school thinks Psychology is. The VCAA says it is a Science subject. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I remember many years ago, 1967 to be exact, Geography was classed as both Science and Humanities at Form 5 to help kids satisfy course requirements. :-)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>Ashwood and Traralgon<br><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:#E4E4E4'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:Travis.Parker@beaconhills.vic.edu.au" title="Travis.Parker@beaconhills.vic.edu.au">Travis Parker</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>To:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" title="itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Sent:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Wednesday, December 07, 2011 11:43 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Subject:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Litsa - <i>My school tends to have more students doing Psychology as it is a Science.<o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>At best a pseudo-Science. We classify it as a Humanities subject!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mann, Warrick D<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:10 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi All,,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As someone who still works in “real world” IT, I see the course as highly relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As to “real info tech”, which IT stream are we talking about? Programming? Project Management? Systems Analyst? Systems Architect?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>IT is Business management with specific set of skills – If IT cannot integrate successfully into a business, it will not be adopted effectively or run efficiently.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Warrick Mann<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Shortell<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 9:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Perhaps we could move those business functions out of IT and into the business subjects because all subjects are supposed to have ICT and the business stuff is certainly not real computing science<br><br>Then we would be left with just computing in in the computing subject!!<br><br>The business people would be delighted because then they could teach it their way and teach “at the point of need to know” always a more effective way of ensuring students pay attention!<br><br>And we would all be happy because we could do real computing in the computing subject.<br><br>Andrew<br><br>-- <br></span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Apple Casual","serif"'>Andrew Shortell<br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><br><a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">mailto:shortell@get2me.net</a> <br>Leaving the <br>Heidelberg Teaching Unit at the end of 2011<br>Ph 9470 3403<br>Fax 9470 3215<br><br><br><br>On 7/12/11 4:05 AM, "Mark Scott" <<a href="msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>It would kill the subject completely here at Luther.<br> <br>Mark Scott<br>Luther College<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [<a href="rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<br><br>Here is an interesting question I could toss to this group to mull over. <br><br>When we consider the progressive declining enrollment in the year 12 IS and ITA, is there merit in a long term thought to combine the two into a single year 12 Info Tech subject?<br><br>No agenda, just plain old curious about your thoughts.<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br>On 6 December 2011 17:33, Robert Hind <<a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks folks!</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <br> <br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>Ashwood and Traralgon<br><a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b>Important - </b>This email and any attachments may be confidential. If received in error, please contact us and delete all copies. 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