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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi Vera,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would agree. I know in the Latrobe Valley, 2 of the biggest high School (Traralgon and Lowanna) do not teach IT at all until at least year 10 – with Lowanna
not teaching it all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It still surprises me the number of people that say “young people are so computer literate” – to this I say – What crap! They take it for granted, but still
do not actually know how to use it other than basic internet and games.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Warrick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vera Cook<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree, that IT is very relevant to business. However, I believe the reason for reduced enrolments is more due to students not seeing IT as being important
or as a career pathway and maybe this is something that needs to be addressed more. My school tends to have more students doing Psychology as it is a Science.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thankyou Vera Cook<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mann, Warrick D<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 10:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi All,,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As someone who still works in “real world” IT, I see the course as highly relevant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As to “real info tech”, which IT stream are we talking about? Programming? Project Management? Systems Analyst? Systems Architect?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">IT is Business management with specific set of skills – If IT cannot integrate successfully into a business, it will not be adopted effectively or run efficiently.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Warrick Mann<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Shortell<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 7 December 2011 9:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Perhaps we could move those business functions out of IT and into the business subjects because all subjects are supposed to have ICT and the
business stuff is certainly not real computing science<br>
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Then we would be left with just computing in in the computing subject!!<br>
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The business people would be delighted because then they could teach it their way and teach “at the point of need to know” always a more effective way of ensuring students pay attention!<br>
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And we would all be happy because we could do real computing in the computing subject.<br>
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Andrew<br>
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Leaving the <br>
Heidelberg Teaching Unit at the end of 2011<br>
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On 7/12/11 4:05 AM, "Mark Scott" <<a href="msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">It would kill the subject completely here at Luther.<br>
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Mark Scott<br>
Luther College<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] On Behalf Of Roland Gesthuizen [<a href="rgesthuizen@gmail.com">rgesthuizen@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Year 12 Info Tech<br>
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Here is an interesting question I could toss to this group to mull over. <br>
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When we consider the progressive declining enrollment in the year 12 IS and ITA, is there merit in a long term thought to combine the two into a single year 12 Info Tech subject?<br>
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No agenda, just plain old curious about your thoughts.<br>
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Regards Roland<br>
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On 6 December 2011 17:33, Robert Hind <<a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.<br>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks folks!</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
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