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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Agreed, but</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>1. this applies to SD not IT Apps, and as Brett has
already noted, this discussion is on the IT Apps list</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>2. the quote does not refer to "text based data
storage", so the content/structure of the file(s) is not proscribed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">Mark KELLY</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone
using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The warning about not using databases with programs was in the
VCAA bulletin that listed the approved languages for 2011. It said in part:
<P><I>With all of the above languages, databases are <STRONG>not</STRONG> to
be used to support the construction of solutions. Students should be able to
demonstrate the highest level of achievement using only the selected
programming language. Additional languages can be used to embellish a
solution, for example JavaScript with web pages; however, these would be
supplementary to the main language and not replace it.</I></P><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 6 December 2011 00:16, Brett Groves <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">Hi Robert,<BR><BR>I noticed afterward
that this came through in the Apps not SD list. So I guess the database quip
was doubly incorrect. I guess you could use rails as an RDBMS but I think
you'd spend much more time teaching the students ruby than the niceties of
normalised forms. Oddly I am absolutely certain I've seen a quite explicit
prohibition on SQL/MYSQL data stores for SD outcome tasks. Been back through
the study design and advice, albeit with some brevity since like everyone
else I am arm deep in reports, but I cannot find that reference. Fairly
certain I'm not hallucinating, that only happens beyond report 100 usually
:-) It was discussed at some length in threads on the SD list in 2009/10 and
there was some debate around the relative merits of using comparatively
primitive data storage containers. Perhaps, more knowledgeable heads than
mine can shed more light on this apprehension. Now back to reports :-(
<DIV class=im><BR><PRE cols="72">Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College</PRE><BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=h5>On 05/12/11 16:46, Timmer-Arends wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Brett</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"<FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>the study design
specifically outlaws databases and insists on text base data storage
"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm curious to know where it says
this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brighton SC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B>
<A title=groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au" target=_blank>Brett
Groves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 05, 2011
11:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yes we used Ruby and Shooes for the gui last year. Mixed
results, much slower for me to help students debug, generally easier for
rapid development but students would have universally preferred VbNet.
The most issues I found were around the lack of a really good gui
generator, basically Shooes sucks for anything but the simplest gui. On
the plus side if you use Netbeans as your IDE it supports both
Ruby and Rails brilliantly, great to work with. A word of caution though
the study design specifically outlaws databases and insists on text base
data storage so Rails is of no use to you whatsoever. Cheers<BR><PRE cols="72">Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College</PRE><BR>On 05/12/11 11:22, Ciotti, George W
wrote:
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<DIV>Hi,</DIV>
<DIV>I was just wondering whether anyone is or has used Ruby? More
commonly known as Ruby on Rails or just Rails. It seems like an
interesting environment that could be used in ITA and ITSD. I am
currently learning the language and even from the early stages of the
tutorials it seems a very good fit for senior IT classes. </DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks in advance</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>George</DIV>
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