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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So let's get this back where it belongs! Or at
least separate the ItApps and the SoftDev discussions.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Thanks folks!</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<BR>Ashwood
and Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=timmer@melbpc.org.au
href="mailto:timmer@melbpc.org.au">Timmer-Arends</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 5:14
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone
using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Agreed, but</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>1. this applies to SD not IT Apps, and as Brett
has already noted, this discussion is on the IT Apps list</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>2. the quote does not refer to "text based data
storage", so the content/structure of the file(s) is not
proscribed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">Mark KELLY</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers'
Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:25
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Anyone
using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>The warning about not using databases with programs was in
the VCAA bulletin that listed the approved languages for 2011. It said in
part:
<P><I>With all of the above languages, databases are <STRONG>not</STRONG> to
be used to support the construction of solutions. Students should be able to
demonstrate the highest level of achievement using only the selected
programming language. Additional languages can be used to embellish a
solution, for example JavaScript with web pages; however, these would be
supplementary to the main language and not replace it.</I></P><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 6 December 2011 00:16, Brett Groves <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au">groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Hi Robert,<BR><BR>I noticed
afterward that this came through in the Apps not SD list. So I guess the
database quip was doubly incorrect. I guess you could use rails as an
RDBMS but I think you'd spend much more time teaching the students ruby
than the niceties of normalised forms. Oddly I am absolutely certain I've
seen a quite explicit prohibition on SQL/MYSQL data stores for SD outcome
tasks. Been back through the study design and advice, albeit with some
brevity since like everyone else I am arm deep in reports, but I cannot
find that reference. Fairly certain I'm not hallucinating, that only
happens beyond report 100 usually :-) It was discussed at some length in
threads on the SD list in 2009/10 and there was some debate around the
relative merits of using comparatively primitive data storage containers.
Perhaps, more knowledgeable heads than mine can shed more light on this
apprehension. Now back to reports :-(
<DIV class=im><BR><PRE cols="72">Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College</PRE><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV class=h5>On 05/12/11 16:46, Timmer-Arends wrote:
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello Brett</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"<FONT size=3
face="Times New Roman">the study design
specifically outlaws databases and insists on text base data storage
"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm curious to know where it says
this?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Brighton SC</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228)"><B>From:</B> <A
title=groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au
href="mailto:groves.brett.g@edumail.vic.gov.au" target=_blank>Brett
Groves</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, December 05, 2011
11:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Anyone using Ruby for IT at Year 12/11</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Yes we used Ruby and Shooes for the gui last year.
Mixed results, much slower for me to help students debug, generally
easier for rapid development but students would have universally
preferred VbNet. The most issues I found were around the lack of a
really good gui generator, basically Shooes sucks for anything but the
simplest gui. On the plus side if you use Netbeans as your IDE
it supports both Ruby and Rails brilliantly, great to work with. A
word of caution though the study design specifically outlaws databases
and insists on text base data storage so Rails is of no use to you
whatsoever. Cheers<BR><PRE cols="72">Regards,
Brett Groves
ICT Manager
Croydon Secondary College</PRE><BR>On 05/12/11 11:22, Ciotti, George W
wrote:
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<DIV>Hi,</DIV>
<DIV>I was just wondering whether anyone is or has used Ruby? More
commonly known as Ruby on Rails or just Rails. It seems like an
interesting environment that could be used in ITA and ITSD. I am
currently learning the language and even from the early stages of
the tutorials it seems a very good fit for senior IT
classes. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>George</DIV>
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