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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Mark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 5 December 2011 7:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Disagree. U4O1 key knowledge is not database-driven. It applies equally to SS.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 December 2011 16:25, Robert Hind <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I just have a real problem with using a spreadsheet to do what is essentially database work. It is like using MS Word to do desktop publishing. Perhaps we are headed towards
the MSicandoitall.exe that will do word processing, spreadsheets, databases, dtp, slide shows - and would you like fries with that?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Please let's use appropriate software.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank" title="kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Monday, December 05, 2011 3:30 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Robert<br>
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I don't use spreadsheets as databases... did I somehow suggest that?<br>
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I've found the number of students having trouble with spreadsheets is <b>way</b> less than those having dB trouble - and their marks for U4O1 compared to U3O2 clearly reflect that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 December 2011 15:14, Robert Hind <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I have never been in favour of using a spreadsheet as a database. So would<br>
really go for a RDBMS for U401 rather than spreadsheet software. Introduce<br>
the RDBMS in year 11 and progress from there. Sure some students have<br>
problems with databases, but then the same students have trouble with<br>
spreadsheets :-)<br>
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Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: "Mark Scott" <<a href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>><br>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List"<br>
<<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps@edulists.com.au</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:28 AM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] Spreadsheet vs Database for U4O1<br>
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> Dear all<br>
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> I am considering a move away from Spreadsheets for U4O1.<br>
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> It just seemed that the 2011 exam might have favoured those students who<br>
> did Databases instead.<br>
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> What do people think?<br>
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> thanks<br>
> Mark Scott<br>
> Luther College<br>
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