Wooppee Robert Barton and I now have a copy of the 2011 ITA paper. It hasn't been fun to miss out on this channel. Now we can work our way back through this fascinating thread of question discussions, blow smoke rings out of the window and toss in our five cents worth. <div>
<br></div><div>Ow joy! I hope that the IS list has as much fun as we have :-)<div><div><br><div>Regards Roland<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 November 2011 12:55, Adric Gardner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gardner.adric.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">gardner.adric.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I must have been misunderstood in my response.</div><div><br></div><div>I believe the Answer is B. this is sorted as text. I was pointing out that this can be achieved in excel.<br>
<br>Regards,<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Adric Gardner</div></font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On 15/11/2011, at 12:22 PM, Royce Personal <<a href="mailto:roycew@netspace.net.au" target="_blank">roycew@netspace.net.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div>Ah but I know lots if commercial programs that do this.</div><div>Sort numbers as text.</div><div>It's very annoying.</div><div>Plus you are falling into the teaching Microsoft only trap.</div><div>There are other possibilities.</div>
<div>I rather like the question as a descriminator for thinking students.</div><div><br><br>Royce Williams<div>Sent from my AppleBerry</div></div><div><br>On 15/11/2011, at 11:47 AM, Adric Gardner <<a href="mailto:gardner.adric.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">gardner.adric.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Actually in excel, if it is entered as </div><div><br></div><div>'6</div><div>'17 etc (don't have the exam in front of me)</div><div><br></div><div>It is sorted as text. But off memory, that's not what the question asked<br>
<br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Adric Gardner</div></div><div><br>On 15/11/2011, at 11:19 AM, Robert Hind <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">So you do that in Excel and it totally ignores your
formatting as text and sorts as though the entries are numbers. Do the same in
Access and it does accept that the field is text and does sort as
text.</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Thank you Microsoft</font></div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font size="2" face="Arial">Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM, COF<br>Ashwood
and Traralgon<br><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a></font></div>
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Scott</a> </div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
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<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 15, 2011 11:02
AM</div>
<div style="font:10pt arial"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down
the rifle...</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Putting commas in front of
the numbers changes the question.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The only way to enter numbers
as text in by formatting the cells or the field as text.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">WOOF<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Mark
Scott<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Luther
College<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">"The busier you
get, the slower you walk" anon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011 10:42 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12
IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT
Apps] Puts down the rifle...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:12pt;margin-left:36pt;margin-right:0cm" class="MsoNormal">Try forcing the numbers to be text (put an apostophe in front
of the digits) and try it again. Excel has to ask you what you really
want to sort as text or as thinks that "look like
numbers."<br><br><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal">On 15 November 2011 09:37, Esko
Lossi <<a href="mailto:elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy;font-size:10pt">When I
do question 13 (Section A) on a spreadsheet, the answer the spreadsheet gives
is A.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:navy;font-size:10pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;font-size:10pt">Regards</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">Esko
Lossi</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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Christian School, Drouin Campus</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ken
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AM</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br><b>To:</b>
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12
IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div>
<div>
<div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">David,
I agree with most of your answers for the MC questions, except no.9 I think
the answer should be 9B as tactical decisions are more short term and
specific.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Ken
Tonkin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Howard,
David<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12
IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT
Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I’m
with Mark on this one. Definitely A.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Validation
can ensure that I input a date of birth for example that is reasonable, say
12/08/1981 but is it accurate, no!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Here
are my multiple choice answers.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">1
B</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">2
A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">3
D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">4
D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">5
A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">6
A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">7
B</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">8
A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">9
A – not so confident on that one</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">10
A</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">11
C </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">12
C</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">13
B </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">14
B</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">15
D</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">16
C</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">17
B</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">18
B</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">19
C</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">20
C</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark
Scott<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12
IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT
Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Validation deals with data
entry.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Options B, C and D are all
testing to ensure data manipulation is correct/accurate
etc.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Only option A clearly deals with
data entry (i.e. the most correct option)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Mark
Scott</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">Luther
College</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-US">"The busier you get,
the slower you walk" anon</span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
<p style="margin-left:36pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
Torsello (Mr)<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011 8:03 AM<br><b>To:</b>
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12
IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Dear
wiser colleagues</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Can
someone help me with MC question 8?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">An
effective validation technique is evident when … all answers seem to support
the presence of an effective validation technique.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">A
– at first glance the answer but is reasonableness the best evidence of
validation?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">B-
an accurate report suggests accurate input data, doesn’t
it?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">C-
least likely but again “reasonably”? What does that mean? If data can be
sorted is it valid?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">D
–calculated files gives correct answers! Is this evidence of GIGO – not
garbage in, garbage out, but good in, good out?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I’m
confused!</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:10pt">With
Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:10pt">Michael
Torsello</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:10pt">Director
of Computing</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:10pt">St
Margaret's School, Berwick</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:10pt">Berwick
Grammar School, Officer</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="tel:%2803%29%209703%208111" target="_blank">(03) 9703
8111</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Save paper and trees. Do you need to print this
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ben Hines<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 November 2011 4:32 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12
IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Yeah
I just found that, thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Howard, David<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 November 2011 3:39
PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the
rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">A
– Scope see page 17 of the study design.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ben Hines<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 November 2011 2:37 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12
IT Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I
cannot believe that number question. No one would normally type numbers in as
numerals, set the data type to text and then order from A ->
Z.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I
doubt anyone would get the answer to that unless they have accidentally done
it in the past. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Because
you have entered them as text, the sort will only look at the left most number
to order them (just like with normal ones).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Answer
according to Access is B….</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Question
5 in the Multiple Choice? What’s the consensus on that
one?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">Ta</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"><image004.gif></span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1f497d">Mr Ben
Hines</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">VCE Maths/ICT
Teacher</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Senior School
Campus - Christian College Geelong</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d">(</span><span style="color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%2803%29%2052411577" value="+61352411577" target="_blank">(03) 52411577</a>
(ext. 212)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Howard, David<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 November 2011 2:15
PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts down the
rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I
don’t have the paper in front of me, but after a quick chat to my students,
plain to see that they had differing opinions on the sorting of numbers as
text question in the multiple choice.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt">I’m
not marking this year by the way.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d;font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> <a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Mark KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 November 2011 1:52 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT
Apps] Puts down the rifle...</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
<p style="margin-left:72pt" class="MsoNormal">I'm reading the paper now. <br><br>Section A looks pretty free
of rabies.<br><br>I have put the gun down after reading the normalisation
question... Thank Dog sanity prevailed on that one!<br><br>Damn that ERD
question - three marks and they had to draw an entire diagram from
scratch! Grrr.<br><br>The 8 mark question appeared, as we
expected. And it was approachable.<br><br>Overall, I think I might give
the dog a bone.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager of ICT,
Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd
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