Hi Esko<br><br>Changing the cell formatting is not enough. Excel still over-rides it because it sees things that "look like numbers" and sorts it in its own stubborn style. <br><br>You have to <b>force</b> them to be text with the leading apostrophe for Excel to grudgingly allow that the human wants things done your way.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 November 2011 11:11, Esko Lossi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au">elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">When you change the data type of the
numbers to text in Excel, it still gives A as the answer.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am using Excel 2003.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p><div class="im">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><b><font color="black" face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Esko Lossi</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"><u></u><u></u></span></font></b></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Try forcing the numbers
to be text (put an apostophe in front of the digits) and try it again.
Excel has to ask you what you really want to sort as text or as thinks that
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On 15 November 2011 09:37, Esko Lossi <<a href="mailto:elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">elossi@chairo.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">When I do question 13 (Section A) on a spreadsheet, the answer the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">David, I agree with most of your answers for the MC
questions, except no.9 I think the answer should be 9B as tactical decisions
are more short term and specific.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Ken Tonkin</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Howard, David<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I’m with Mark on this one. Definitely A.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Validation can ensure that I input a date of birth for
example that is reasonable, say 12/08/1981 but is it accurate, no!</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Here are my multiple choice answers.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">1 B</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">2 A</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">3 D</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">4 D</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">5 A</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">6 A</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">7 B</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">8 A</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">9 A – not so confident on that one</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">10 A</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">11 C </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">12 C</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">13 B </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">14 B</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">15 D</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">16 C</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">17 B</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">18 B</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">19 C</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">20 C</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark Scott<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011
8:14 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Puts down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Validation deals
with data entry.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Options B, C and D
are all testing to ensure data manipulation is correct/accurate etc.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Only option A
clearly deals with data entry (i.e. the most correct option)</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">thanks</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Mark
Scott</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">Luther College</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" lang="EN-US">"The
busier you get, the slower you walk" anon</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Michael Torsello (Mr)<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 15 November 2011
8:03 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts
down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Dear wiser
colleagues</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Can someone help me
with MC question 8?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">An effective
validation technique is evident when … all answers seem to support the presence
of an effective validation technique.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">A – at first glance
the answer but is reasonableness the best evidence of validation?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">B- an accurate
report suggests accurate input data, doesn’t it?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">C- least likely but
again “reasonably”? What does that mean? If data can be sorted is it valid?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">D –calculated files
gives correct answers! Is this evidence of GIGO – not garbage in, garbage out,
but good in, good out?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I’m confused!</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">With Thanks</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">Michael Torsello</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">Director of Computing</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">St Margaret's School,
Berwick</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">Berwick Grammar School,
Officer</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">Ph: <a href="tel:%2803%29%209703%208111" value="+61397038111" target="_blank">(03)
9703 8111</a></span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#45834c" face="Webdings" size="5"><span style="font-size:16.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#45834C">P</span></font><font color="#45834c" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#45834C"> Save paper and trees. Do you need to print this email?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ben Hines<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011 4:32
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Puts down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Yeah I just found
that, thanks</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Howard, David<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011
3:39 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Puts down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">A – Scope see page
17 of the study design.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ben Hines<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011
2:37 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Puts down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I cannot believe
that number question. No one would normally type numbers in as numerals, set
the data type to text and then order from A -> Z.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I doubt anyone would
get the answer to that unless they have accidentally done it in the past. </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Because you have
entered them as text, the sort will only look at the left most number to order
them (just like with normal ones).</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Answer according to
Access is B….</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Question 5 in the
Multiple Choice? What’s the consensus on that one?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Ta</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><img src="" alt="Description: Description: ben_sig" border="0" height="92" width="216"></span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;font-weight:bold">Mr
Ben Hines</span></font></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;font-style:italic">VCE
Maths/ICT Teacher</span></font></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><i><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D;font-style:italic">Senior
School Campus - Christian College Geelong</span></font></i><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Wingdings" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">(</span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">(03)
52411577 (ext. 212)</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold" lang="EN-US">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
<a href="mailto:%5bmailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au%5d" target="_blank">[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]</a>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Howard, David<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011
2:15 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
Puts down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I don’t have the
paper in front of me, but after a quick chat to my students, plain to see that
they had differing opinions on the sorting of numbers as text question in the
multiple choice.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I’m not marking this
year by the way.</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011
1:52 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Puts
down the rifle...</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I'm reading the paper now. <br>
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Section A looks pretty free of rabies.<br>
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I have put the gun down after reading the normalisation question... Thank
Dog sanity prevailed on that one!<br>
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Damn that ERD question - three marks and they had to draw an entire diagram
from scratch! Grrr.<br>
<br>
The 8 mark question appeared, as we expected. And it was approachable.<br>
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Overall, I think I might give the dog a bone.<br>
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Mark Kelly<br>
Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>
McKinnon Secondary College<br>
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