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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Which I have been doing since 2006. It is a great
experience :-)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks
Kent!)<BR>Ashwood and Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 14, 2011 8:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] An ITA
Exam query</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mark is right, there is considerable PD value in offering to
work as an assessor for the VCAA. For some of us who may now find that we no
longer have the class numbers to offer a VCE IT subject or have slipped into
retirement, this could be a dignified way to continue working in the area
whilst keeping in touch with any changes. Just a thought and
suggestion.<BR><BR>Regarsd Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 14 November 2011 08:35, Mark KELLY <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>The feedback I've received about exam marking philosophy
is extremely interesting, and it reinforces for me the PD value of marking
VCAA papers. <BR><BR>I've always assumed (because VCAA has never said
otherwise) that if asked for 'n' points, markers would read the first 'n'
answers given and ignore any more. Apparently this is not the
case. <BR><BR>Several people have suggested that the following
guidelines may be useful for those of us marking our kids' answers in
outcomes and practice exams...<BR><BR>Mind you, these are not official,
permanent, carved-in-stone VCAA rules. They are only offered as guidelines
gleaned from markers' experiences, and may change from year to
year...<BR><BR>----<BR><BR>* Marking 'toughness' can fluctuate from year to
year depending on the difficulty of the paper.<BR><BR>* If 'n' points are
asked for and the student gives more points, markers will read all the
points given and award marks if 'n' good points were given: in other words,
the marker tries to find marks for kids. So if a kid is asked for 2 points,
and the kid's first point was wrong, but then gives 2 good points, the kid
gets two marks.<BR><BR>* Markers are not asked to stop reading answers after
the requested number of points has been given, so kids could write a load of
rubbish and still get full marks if they somehow get to the correct stuff by
the end.<BR><BR>* If a 2-mark question asks for a "List and Describe", it
will be marked 1+1=2 marks.<BR><BR>* If asked for 2 points and you give
2...<BR> - 2 marks generally means 2 points need to
be made, or a good point with a good reason for
it.<BR> - 2 marks for a "discuss..." question can
also indicate you have to give a point from each side of the discussion (and
if you gave 2 points from the same side of the discussion, you only get 1
mark)<BR><BR>* If asked for 2 points and you give
3...<BR> - if is blatantly wrong, or contradicts of
of the two other good points, you cannot get full
marks<BR> - if one is wrong, but does not contradict
the other two, you can get full marks<BR> - if one
is weak due to obvious cluelessness you cannot get full marks<BR><BR>*
Because the question is blind double-marked, if one marker gives 2 and the
other gives 1, you get an effective average of 1.5.<BR>* However if it goes
to a third marker, you're less likely to get the 2 marks because the third
marking is more conservative.<BR>* Sometimes, two marks is taken to mean 3
points are required if the points are really obvious.<BR><BR>So, as I said,
all of this is only for guidance. I know that in future I'll keep reading
even after the student gives their 'n' points and I'll look to give marks if
they eventually get to the nub of the questions! It certainly will affect
the way I mark the Q&A parts of outcomes!<BR><BR>If there are other
little birds out there with more useful insights into the marking process,
I'm happy to hear more.<BR><BR>Regards<SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT
color=#888888><BR>Mark</FONT></SPAN>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 13 November 2011 11:20, Mark KELLY <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au"
target=_blank>kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>I'm not even sure that 2 marks means you have to make 2
points.<BR>That's never been mentioned officially anywhere. Perhaps
an anonymous<BR>marker could whisper in my ear offlist?<BR><BR><A
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au"
target=_blank>kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</A><BR><BR>Cheers<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 13 November 2011 09:58, Mark Scott <<A
href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au"
target=_blank>msc@luther.vic.edu.au</A>> wrote:<BR>> I would imagine
the rule does not apply.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> If the question
asks for two examples (and is worth two marks) then only the<BR>> first
two examples would be marked. But if asked to explain or discuss
then<BR>> the whole response would be
considered.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> But I’m sure wiser heads than
mine out there can offer a more informed<BR>>
opinion.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Mark Scott<BR>><BR>> Luther
College<BR>> "The busier you get, the slower you walk"
anon<BR>><BR>><BR>> From: <A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<BR>> On Behalf Of
Garnsworthy, John W<BR>> Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 9:36 AM<BR>>
To: <A href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps@edulists.com.au</A><BR>> Subject: [Year 12 IT
Apps] An ITA Exam query<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> Hi all,<BR>> As
we fast approach the day of reckoning, my best student has posed
this<BR>> question of me.<BR>><BR>> "Hello, just a question I've
been mulling over.<BR>><BR>> If a question is worth say 2 marks and
says explain/give points/discuss but<BR>> does not indicate that it
specifically requires two points or discussions<BR>> does the rule of
only taking the first two pieces of information still<BR>>
apply?<BR>> So if I respond with three pieces of response will only the
first two be<BR>> counted or will all three be taken into account? If
all three are then what<BR>> happens if two are correct but one is
wrong? Will I still get the two marks<BR>> because I have stated two
correct points?"<BR>><BR>> Would anyone like to help me out with
their spin on it?<BR>><BR>> Cheers<BR>><BR>> Jock
Garnsworthy<BR>> Wiliamstown High
School<BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=HOEnZb>
<DIV class=h5>-- <BR>Mark Kelly<BR>Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning
Area<BR>McKinnon Secondary College<BR>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria,
Australia<BR>Direct line / Voicemail: <A href="tel:%2B613%208520%209085"
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