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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, 14 November 2011
8:36 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] An
ITA Exam query</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>The feedback I've
received about exam marking philosophy is extremely interesting, and it
reinforces for me the PD value of marking VCAA papers. <br>
<br>
I've always assumed (because VCAA has never said otherwise) that if asked for
'n' points, markers would read the first 'n' answers given and ignore any
more. Apparently this is not the case. <br>
<br>
Several people have suggested that the following guidelines may be useful for
those of us marking our kids' answers in outcomes and practice exams...<br>
<br>
Mind you, these are not official, permanent, carved-in-stone VCAA rules. They
are only offered as guidelines gleaned from markers' experiences, and may
change from year to year...<br>
<br>
----<br>
<br>
* Marking 'toughness' can fluctuate from year to year depending on the
difficulty of the paper.<br>
<br>
* If 'n' points are asked for and the student gives more points, markers will
read all the points given and award marks if 'n' good points were given: in
other words, the marker tries to find marks for kids. So if a kid is asked for
2 points, and the kid's first point was wrong, but then gives 2 good points,
the kid gets two marks.<br>
<br>
* Markers are not asked to stop reading answers after the requested number of
points has been given, so kids could write a load of rubbish and still get full
marks if they somehow get to the correct stuff by the end.<br>
<br>
* If a 2-mark question asks for a "List and Describe", it will be
marked 1+1=2 marks.<br>
<br>
* If asked for 2 points and you give 2...<br>
- 2 marks generally means 2 points need to be made, or
a good point with a good reason for it.<br>
- 2 marks for a "discuss..." question can
also indicate you have to give a point from each side of the discussion (and if
you gave 2 points from the same side of the discussion, you only get 1 mark)<br>
<br>
* If asked for 2 points and you give 3...<br>
- if is blatantly wrong, or contradicts of of the two
other good points, you cannot get full marks<br>
- if one is wrong, but does not contradict the other
two, you can get full marks<br>
- if one is weak due to obvious cluelessness you
cannot get full marks<br>
<br>
* Because the question is blind double-marked, if one marker gives 2 and the
other gives 1, you get an effective average of 1.5.<br>
* However if it goes to a third marker, you're less likely to get the 2 marks
because the third marking is more conservative.<br>
* Sometimes, two marks is taken to mean 3 points are required if the points are
really obvious.<br>
<br>
So, as I said, all of this is only for guidance. I know that in future I'll
keep reading even after the student gives their 'n' points and I'll look to
give marks if they eventually get to the nub of the questions! It certainly
will affect the way I mark the Q&A parts of outcomes!<br>
<br>
If there are other little birds out there with more useful insights into the
marking process, I'm happy to hear more.<br>
<br>
Regards<br>
Mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On 13 November 2011 11:20, Mark KELLY <<a
href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>I'm not even sure that 2 marks means you have to make 2 points.<br>
That's never been mentioned officially anywhere. Perhaps an anonymous<br>
marker could whisper in my ear offlist?<br>
<br>
<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
<br>
Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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On 13 November 2011 09:58, Mark Scott <<a href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au">msc@luther.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<br>
> I would imagine the rule does not apply.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> If the question asks for two examples (and is worth two marks) then only
the<br>
> first two examples would be marked. But if asked to explain or discuss
then<br>
> the whole response would be considered.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> But I’m sure wiser heads than mine out there can offer a more informed<br>
> opinion.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Mark Scott<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Luther</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">College</st1:PlaceName></st1:place><br>
> "The busier you get, the slower you walk" anon<br>
><br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Garnsworthy, John W<br>
> Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 9:36 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a><br>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] An ITA Exam query<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Hi all,<br>
> As we fast approach the day of reckoning, my best student has posed this<br>
> question of me.<br>
><br>
> "Hello, just a question I've been mulling over.<br>
><br>
> If a question is worth say 2 marks and says explain/give points/discuss
but<br>
> does not indicate that it specifically requires two points or discussions<br>
> does the rule of only taking the first two pieces of information still<br>
> apply?<br>
> So if I respond with three pieces of response will only the first two be<br>
> counted or will all three be taken into account? If all three are then
what<br>
> happens if two are correct but one is wrong? Will I still get the two
marks<br>
> because I have stated two correct points?"<br>
><br>
> Would anyone like to help me out with their spin on it?<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> Jock Garnsworthy<br>
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w:st="on">High School</st1:PlaceType></st1:place><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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-- <br>
Mark Kelly<br>
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