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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the main problem we all find teaching the different normal forms, is that we teach students to create Databases well, so that they are already in at least 1NF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So then teaching them that someone made a database (that is essentially an unusable mess) not in NF is too strange an idea to them.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Plus the databases we make in IT Apps are on the simpler side of Relational Databases. Understanding Normal Form took a fair while at Uni (and only by lots of practice designing databases), so I can understand why students find it difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>All the best with exam revision all!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img width=216 height=92 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01CC8CD4.B5FF61F0" alt="Description: ben_sig"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mr Ben Hines<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maths/ICT Teacher<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Senior School Campus - Christian College Geelong<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>(</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(03) 52411577 (ext. 212)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 17 October 2011 1:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] Normal forms<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Groan. I just spent another 30 minutes trying to explain the differences between 2NF and 3NF to my dears. <br>As usual, by the time I finished, I think they knew less than when I started.<br><br>1NF is pretty clear cut...<br> - no duplicate rows (i.e. identical records)<br> - no multiple columns that contain the same *type* of data (e.g. child1, child2, child3)<br> - only one piece of data per field (e.g. don't store 2 phone numbers for a person in the 'phone' field; put street address/suburb/postcode in separate fields; in Filemaker, don't use repeating fields) <br><br>But 2NF is really only a problem if you use *multiple* fields as a key (e.g. using firstname + lastname + phone as a unique key) instead of using a unique and arbitrary key field, like an ID number. <br>I realise now that my kids have trouble absorbing 2NF because at no time in their database education have I ever *mentioned* the possibility of using multiple fields as the key. So explaining 2NF to them was a bit like warning them not to walk using their ears - the concept had never even dawned on them before. To them, having a non-key field that did not give information about *all* of the key fields was a strange and scary possibility.<br><br>3NF is, I think, relatively straight forward. Each non-key field must give information about the key and not to another non-key field. Violation of 3NF is usually pretty obvious because it looks "strange".<br><br>After 2 slideshows, I'm still trying to work out a way to make it sound really clear... next time, maybe. If anyone has hit on a sure-fire summary of differentiating normal forms, I'd love to hear of it.<br><br>Regards<br><br>-- <br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085, Fax +613 9578 9253<br><a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>VCE IT Lecture Notes: <a href="http://vceit.com" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a><br>Moderator: <a href="http://www.edulists.com.au/" target="_blank">IT Applications Edulist</a><br><br>Want a good time? Call 0112358. 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