<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">you love being pedantic!<div><br></div><div>and you do it very well too!<br><div><br></div><div>A<br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Chalkboard">Andrew Shortell</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Heidelberg Teaching Unit in 2011</span></font></div></div></span>
</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px;">wishing I was semi retired too</span></font></div>
<br><div><div>On 26/07/2011, at 6:44 PM, Mike Brookes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hate to be pedantic :-), but PDF is not software, it is a file type used <br>to contain various kinds of pre-formatted data.<br><br>Mike Brookes<br>Semi-retired gentleman - Copperfield College<br><br>On 26/07/2011 3:32 PM, <a href="mailto:geoffmoss37@bigpond.com">geoffmoss37@bigpond.com</a> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi Mark and all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Would agree on your comments re. pdf as it is not primarily seen as multimedia software and a pdf can be created from a Word document and thus would not then be seen as a multimedia authoring tool. So to say a pdf is a multimedia tool per se is not correct.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">While a multimedia PDF incorporating Flash and video could be created I think that, given the time available, it would not be in the interests of students to go down this road when there are easier ways to achieve the outcome. This is a way of bringing multimedia into the pdf, the pdf not being the multimedia tool.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">My 2 cents worth<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Geoff Moss<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">RMIT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---- Mark KELLY<<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi all. The study design says that "To support the ongoing use of these<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">solutions, students produce user documentation using either web authoring or<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">multimedia authoring software."<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think most of us would agree on what "web authoring" software would be -<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Dreamweaver, Drupal/Moodle etc (but do we include Notepad if it's used to<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">create PHP/AJAX/CSS/HTML5 pages?).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">We just need to argue over whether PDF is "multimedia authoring software".<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'd say not. I'd say its prime function is *not* the creation of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">multimedia.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I'd say Powerpoint and Flash *are* specifically designed as multimedia<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">authoring tools.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">2.15c worth (assuming a GST rise to pay for the carbon tax)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Come out lurkers. What do you think?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25 July 2011 14:23, Andrew Shortell<<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"> Hey Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">At a personal level I do not believe a single PDF is adequate if it is<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">merely a print document such as a text document (NOT necessarily a word doc<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">from microsloth (attribution to Mike B))<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">However I believe that as part of doing the preparation for creating User<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Documentation that we create a specification set / design brief. This brief<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">contains all the things that will help them to achieve high in each criteria<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">on the marking scheme.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Thus they know exactly what they need to put in and so the students who are<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">interested in attaining good results put it in.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I consider it no reflection upon myself if they deliberately choose not to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">put in things that we have discussed and added to the specifications of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">which they have a copy. !!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Interactivity is important for user doc; searchability; and lots of other<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">things. Given that you are marking the sacs you need to set the specs. If<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the students know the specs then they have the best chance of meeting them!<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(I think I am missing teaching vce!! And the intellectual challenges<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">therein! As I sit in a year 7 art class.)<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25/07/11 1:30 PM, "Mark KELLY"<<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Andrew. While I acknowledge that PDF has one or two distinctively<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">onscreen features, it lacks most of them. If I let my kids use PDF as a<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">format, they'd type up a normal Word document and just save it as PDF<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">without exploiting the features they were meant to use.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On 25 July 2011 10:22, Andrew Shortell<<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi John and Mark<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PDF is no longer merely meant to be printed. It is a simple way to keep<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">everything looking like you meant it to look.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">PDF docs can contain links etc so they are not merely printed pages<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">A lot of user doc that one receives nowadays comes as pdf. 100s of pages of<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">it. When was the last time that you printed a pdf manual????????<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">E.g. Last night I installed a big pond usb modem for a “Senior” couple. The<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">suer doc was a series of pdfs. Telstra is moderately up to date with<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">things......<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Back off my soap box and on to teaching and learning<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">--<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Andrew Shortell<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">mailto:shortell@get2me.net<<a href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">shortell@get2me.net</a>><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Heidelberg Teaching Unit<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ph 9470 3403<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Fax 9470 3215<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a> - 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