<html><head><base href="x-msg://37/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi Kent<div><br></div><div>Yes I remember doing that in cobol also. I have used sql, access, dbase 3, dbase 4, filemaker in quite a few versions, , hated doing database activities in spreadsheets esp using microsloth products on the dark side</div><div><br></div><div>At least you can pay bills online at the moment - my credit card is gone thanks to being cancelled due to fraudulent activity - might be ten days before I see the new one. </div><div>I have actually used cash to pay for petrol - felt very weird.</div><div><br></div><div>Database stuff - there are always new people to convert to the light -- "to normalise" so it is wonderful to revive an old old thread again now we feel "normal" (ised)</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Chalkboard">Andrew Shortell</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 12px; ">Heidelberg Teaching Unit in 2011</span></font></div></div></span>
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<br><div><div>On 28/05/2011, at 4:54 PM, Kent Beveridge wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" fpstyle="1" ocsi="0"><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">are we still yappin about this old chestnut again????</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Who upset Mark this time!!?? lol.</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">ok...so what about the OpenOffice people?? Oops..almost forgot those fruit loving vegetarians(Apple Mac users).</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">And just for a curve ball with a last minute left dip..I wrote a database years ago using COBOL. It ordered, sorted, colored, columned and printed but didnt make coffee, order lunch for you or park your car!! (it used a good ol comma delimited data file too)</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">oh how I love these chats...puts a smile on my dial...</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">your turn now...</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">hehehehe...</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">(me? I've used Access, Clipper, Oracle. Have OpenOffice on my home box(saves $$ and space!) and no, I havent used FileMaker, so cant comment on it. </div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">Oh, yeah, we also must remember that DB apps can be made with spreadsheets too...just to throw a fly in the ointment here.)</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; ">......must be time to put the kettle on! Got no money left, just paid some bills online.....oh, and told an e-marketing crew to go jump!</div><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "> </p><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; "><font color="#0000ff" size="3" face="Poor Richard" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Kent Beveridge</font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><font color="#3366ff">ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><font color="#3366ff"><a href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</a></font></div><div style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 13px; "><font color="#3366ff"></font> </div></div></div><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF149936" style="direction: ltr; "><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Litsa Tzelepis [htzelepis@msj.vic.edu.au]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, 28 May 2011 11:50 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] (no subject)<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">oh no!</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">so who don't they laugh at?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">{:-|</font></div><blockquote><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">Mark KELLY</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, May 28, 2011 11:15 AM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] (no subject)</div><div><br></div>People might laugh at Access users, but think of us Filemaker users.<br><br>In the street, dogs laugh at us, children bite us, and accountants poke us with sticks :-(<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 May 2011 19:51, Jenny Gielb <<a href="mailto:Tafe@imaginethis.biz" target="_blank">Tafe@imaginethis.biz</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote">Hi,<br>A lot of IT people laugh at MS Access, they view it as puny and inconsequential. As someone who has made quite a bit of money out of developing MS Access databases for many different businesses, I laugh at them.<br>It is not as secure or reliable as SQL or MYSQL, or as relevant in terms of internet development but it is a very powerful tool. It has the benefit of being already available to anyone with Office, it has a fantastic GUI interface which PHP, .NET, VB, Crystal Reports and SQL do not have. It also has everything in the one package, which none of the others have. It is basically the best available software to train anyone in databases and system development. Once a student understands the concepts of database design, VBA code and front-end screen development, they can easily pick up any other database tool.<br>I agree, it would be more beneficial to teach the students web-based coding and databases, but that is very complex, is changing constantly, and there is so many choices there that you can't decide what to use.<br>I think teaching them the basics of databases and websites is more important, they can take it further if they want later.<br><br>As an Access developer I have never ever, and wouldn't ever use drop-down boxes on tables. Drop-down boxes are for forms and data entry. Don't confuse the issue. Tables are for storing data, forms are for entering and displaying, reports are for displaying data. You have to set up basic forms for data entry anyway.<br><font color="#888888">Jenny<br><br></font><br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Mark Kelly<br>Manager of ICT, Reporting, IT Learning Area<br>McKinnon Secondary College<br>McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520 9085, Fax +613 9578 9253<br><a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>VCE IT Lecture Notes:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://vceit.com" target="_blank">http://vceit.com</a><br>Moderator: IT Applications Edulist<br><br><font size="+0">Want a good time? Call 0112358. 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