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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Good point Andrew.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But let me go back a bit:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The study design at no stage mentions 1NF, 2NF and
3NF, under key knowledge it says only:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face=TimesNewRomanPSMT><FONT size=3
face=TimesNewRomanPSMT>
<P align=left><FONT size=2>"• a methodology for creating an RDBMS structure:
identifying tables and fields; normalising tables,</FONT><FONT size=2>defining
data types and field sizes, identifying primary key and foreign key
fields</FONT></P>
<P align=left><FONT size=2>• ways in which normalisation can ensure the
integrity of data in an RDBMS"</FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>So "normalisation" in general - yes, specific
details of NF1-3 - no ?</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>So what is a "wasted" exam
question?</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Firstly it is one that does not examine the
key knowledges and skills specified in the study design.</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Secondly it is one that does not allow for
differentiation between students with different knowledge and skill levels - so
not too hard and not too easy - helps us reliably rank the students in
order on the exam as a whole.</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>It would seem to me that the sample question
originally quoted by Laura goes beyond the key knowledge and skills specified in
the study design.</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>This does need to be clarified from the VCAA
end.</FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2>Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF,
GOM<BR>Ashwood and Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></P>
<P dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2></FONT> </P>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=shortell@get2me.net href="mailto:shortell@get2me.net">Andrew
Shortell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, April 02, 2011 12:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Sample
exam questions andentity-relationshipdiagrams</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Your analysis of past papers (and for me the insights gained
from being an exam marker for years and vce teacher for 17 years and exam
writer etc) would lead you to consider the purpose of the exam and what it
means to have a "wasted" question --to set an exam with a "wasted" question is
not worthwhile .... (think about it!!)
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>part of teaching unit 3 & 4 is all about understanding the exam and
how the exam panel thinks and then acting on that knowledge. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Andrew</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span face=Chalkboard>Andrew Shortell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT class=Apple-style-span size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12px"
class=Apple-style-span>Heidelberg Teaching Unit in
2011</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On 02/04/2011, at 6:31 AM, Mark Scott wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV>Which could all be solved if VCAA shared there understanding of the
three Normal Forms.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=tahoma>yours in frustration</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=tahoma>Mark Scott</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=tahoma>Luther College</FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma></FONT> </DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On
Behalf Of Mark KELLY [kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, April 01, 2011 6:40
PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Sample exam
questions andentity-relationship diagrams<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>By the looks of the<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/publications/IT-Apps-samp.pdf"
target=_blank><FONT color=#000000>sample exam questions</FONT></A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>my ITA kids are going to be
seriously troubled. I'm guessing a question like 3c is going to score about
0.01 marks out of 2 on average across the state. I wonder what the success
rate would be amongst ITA teachers for that question... To get my kids to
answer it well, I'd need to spend at least two periods (more like a week)
just on normalisation theory - and frankly, it's not worth it.<BR><BR>Sorry
for being grumpy about this, but this level of complexity really does not
suit ITA. I don't mind normalisation being a bit of key knowledge, but
how it might be examined seems excessive.<BR><BR>Woof!<BR>Grumpy Mark
K<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 1 April 2011 17:08, Timmer-Arends<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:timmer@melbpc.org.au">timmer@melbpc.org.au</A>></SPAN><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>wrote:<BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hello Mark</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I'm curious to know what these conflicting
sources are.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I've followed Robert H's link and the page
one gets to doesn't actually define them but does describe a
(simplified) process to get to each NF - and what one gets from the
process does conform with NF defs. The links from this page do go to
definitions and they are in agreement with other sources I have looked
at.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mark K's quote is a definition of 2NF that
conforms to other definitions.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The only difference I can see between various
versions I have read is the degree of mathematical/academic gobbledy-gook
involved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>1NF, 2NF and 3NF were defined way back in the
seventies and because they were formed from a theoretical basis I don't
think they are going to have changed all that much.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>About the only thing that seems to have
changed greatly is the addition of another three NFs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think the issue is a problem with the
question, not with the consistency of the definitions. Decoding the
definitions for consumption by students is of course another
matter...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: rgb(228,228,228); FONT: 10pt arial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial"><B>From:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=msc@luther.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:msc@luther.vic.edu.au">Mark Scott</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers'
Mailing List</A></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=h5>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday, April 01, 2011 2:45
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Sample
exam questions andentity-relationship diagrams</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Paula</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">This is
good stuff but we are still struggling with Question 3c</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Any
chance of a VCAA definition of what actually goes in 1NF, 2NF and
3NF.</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
definitions are different depending on which “source” you
use.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">thanks<BR>Mark
Scott<BR>Luther College</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">PS
I suppose we could all wait for the guru (Mark Kelly) to provide an
answer.<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">J</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR><BR><BR></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman', serif; FONT-SIZE: 11pt"></SPAN> </P>
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<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[mailto:<A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>]<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><B>On Behalf Of<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></B>Christophersen, Paula
P<BR><B>Sent:</B><SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Friday,
1 April 2011 1:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>[Year 12 IT Apps] Sample exam
questions and entity-relationship diagrams</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Dear colleagues</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>The examination specifications and
some sample questions focusing on new content in the study design are
now on the VCAA website:</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US><A
href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/publications/IT-Apps-samp.pdf"
target=_blank>http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vcaa/vce/studies/infotech/it-applications/publications/IT-Apps-samp.pdf</A></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Structurally the examination remains
the same – two sections: Section A multiple choice; Section B short and
extended responses.</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>I draw your attention to a couple of
matters in the sample questions:</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 93pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 9pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN>·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Question 4 focuses on an entity
relationship diagram – this hopefully clarifies recent concerns that
have been raised.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 93pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 9pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN>·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Question 7 illustrates one way in
which the examination can deal with the choice of different software in
Unit 4, Area of Study 1. Here a common question is presented, and
students select the software tool to explain their answer.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 93pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 9pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN>·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Question 9 is an example of an
extended response (worth 8 marks) with prompts to guide
answers</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 93pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Symbol; FONT-SIZE: 9pt" lang=EN-US><SPAN>·<SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'"> <SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Question 12 is an example of the
scope of a question on RDBMS – the focus can only extent to what is
covered in Unit 3. Again it illustrates an extended response with
prompts</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Regards</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Paula</SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"
class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt"
lang=EN-US></SPAN> </P>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>Paula Christophersen</SPAN><SPAN
lang=EN-US></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV
style="MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 36pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt" lang=EN-US>ICT Curriculum Manager</SPAN><SPAN
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clear=all></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>--<SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><BR>Mark Kelly<BR>Manager of ICT,
Reporting, IT Learning Area<BR>McKinnon Secondary College<BR>McKinnon Rd
McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<BR>Direct line / Voicemail: +613 8520
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