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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hi Folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> This may be topical as I thought Ipads are considered to
be computers under NSSCF funding , but apparently they are not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The email below ( at the bottom by Andrew Weir ) suggests DEEWR
considers Ipads as computers for NSSCF funding, but the following suggests it
is not (<a
href="https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx">https://edugate.eduweb.vic.gov.au/Services/IT/ITSupport/Lists/NSSCF%20FAQs/DispForm.aspx?ID=38&Source=https%3A%2F%2Fedugate%2Eeduweb%2Evic%2Egov%2Eau%2FServices%2FIT%2FITSupport%2FPages%2FNSSCF%2Easpx</a>
) – need an edumail account to view the link :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Can schools purchase Apple iPads using funds provided
through the NSSCF? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>No.<br>
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The iPad is not an approved device on DEECD's purchasing panels as the iPad
does not support the eduSTAR standard operating environment which includes
more than 60 teaching and learning applications and tools.<br>
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DEECD is undertaking an iPad trial for middle year levels in 8 Victorian
Government schools to evaluate the potential of the iPad as a learning tool.
The DEECD iPad Trial will be conducted over the next 18 months and research
results will inform any future technology directions that can enhance teaching
and learning outcomes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Purchasing <o:p></o:p></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Where are we at with this ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kind Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Kevork Krozian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Digital Learning Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Forest Hill College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>www.fhc.vic.edu.au<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>tel: 0419 356 034<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>WEIR Andrew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Mark,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>(See below my rant)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of
my bit)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but
we were a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB
connectivity, student file space and printing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the
package so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to
purchase those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from apple
for ipad apps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps
such as pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets
shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it actually
requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out a 500 –
700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power need to be
considered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are
pro’s and cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the
security of the network. Should schools support devices that have been jail
broken and how can we stop students Jail braking the device especially if we
let them take the devices home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did
find some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but
as the main stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of
the ipad. Let’s see what apple says for second generation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Some of the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books
especially Shakespeare and other novels.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from
technology and really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and
enhanced by whatever “device” we choose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a
bad dose of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>*****************************************************************<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>iPad<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many schools have also asked if the new iPad
would be approved as a ‘computer’ under the DER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was
that it was not eligible. However, the following advice was<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>received by us on 23 June:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many of you have sought advice about whether
the new Apple iPad meets eligibility requirements<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>under the National Secondary School Computer
Fund. I would like to advise that DEEWR<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>considers that the iPad does meet the
existing definitions of an eligible computer device under<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of
tablet computer and these have been considered as<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>eligible devices since the implementation of
the Fund in 2008.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to
input information via QWERTY typing, it runs word<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>processing and other efficiency applications
and it provides a means of accessing information<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>from the Internet. The major difference
between a tablet and a conventional laptop is that the<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>keyboard is a software generated function on
a screen rather than a physical object. The iPad<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>runs different applications from other
laptops.<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as
a tablet, can be purchased under the Fund but<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>it is a matter for education
authorities/schools to decide if the application suite on an iPad meets<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the
educational needs of their students.</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";
color:navy'>Andrew Weir<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Information
Technology Co-ordinator</span><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:navy'>Thomas Carr College</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://www.thomascarr.vic.edu.au"
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal>A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year:
if we buy iPads, would they count as <i>computers</i> in the annual school ICT
inventory (and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12
students per computer)?<br clear=all>
<br>
-- <br>
Mark Kelly<br>
Manager - Information Systems; Reporting Manager<br>
McKinnon Secondary College<br>
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>
Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085<br>
School Phone +613 8520 9000, Fax +613 9578 9253<br>
<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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