Had a chance now to think about this thread (and use an iPad for a couple of months)<br><br>Brendyn is right .. tablet computing needs time to embed itself and is moving into schools as an eBook platform rather than a content creation tool. Still, I have spent more time on the iPad doing stuff than on my laptop and loving instant startup and magazine apps such as Flipbook. Crikey, if something can mean that there are no longer those huge books to lug around then it gets the thumbs up. The rest just becomes eye candy whilst my right arm muscle is building up strength. :-)<br>
<br>My imaginationary ideal tablet computer holder is an kind of soft covered folder with the tablet on the LHS and my pen / pad on the RHS. One to take notes, the other to reference stuff from. Hmm, perhaps make that a LiveScribe pen and later reference my notes on the iPad with the LiveScribe App. Perhaps it isnt even a tablet but something I can fold up and stick into my pocket.<br>
<a href="http://gizmodo.com/5590745/livescribe-echo-the-smartpen-gets-some-brilliant-upgrades" target="_blank">http://gizmodo.com/5590745/livescribe-echo-the-smartpen-gets-some-brilliant-upgrades</a><br> <br>Jenny Ashby has been working at this cutting edge for a couple of years with iPod Touch units and her LiveScribe. I was impressed when I saw he she uses and integrates this technology into her classroom.<br>
<br>Regards Roland<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 August 2010 12:27, Brendyn Hancock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">Also found out, in some cases anyway, that when you buy an iPAD app its actually lic for 20 devices. Thats not bad. A great app on the periodic table for $3.95 and we can use it on a room full of iPADs!</font></div>
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<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Roland Gesthuizen<br><b>Sent:</b> Thu 5/08/2010 11:16 AM<div><br><b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br></div><b>Cc:</b> Melvin Wilson Jr.<br>
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<div>Thaks Andrew and Mark. We are one of the iPad schools and yes, they are a consumer device but having said that .. these eBooks have a huge potential to leverage change and most of the issues that you raise are solvable. Check this OLPC XO3 video out about the open mode linux model due for release. Don't hang around waiting for stuff to happen, you can get some learning traction with this stuff now using Apple iPads.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMzuS2qZfc" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMzuS2qZfc</a><br><br>First thing is to get one for yourself and school administration team. Then you will learn first hand what how where what etc. Don't skimp on the docking station. It is also wise to consider kicking off with a class set too. I hope to put something together to talk about these tablet computers at the VITTA conference .. if nobody else is already (hint??). The EdTech Crew have also been reviewing them in their podcasts. You can always return it to the library for loans etc when you have had your fill of tablet computing.<br>
<br>Like other schools, we are in the same boat .. holding over the residual funds left from the NSSCP grant for further iPads instead of netbooks or considering wider deployments across entire year levels. Kind of glad we purchased Macbooks on trolleys with our first stage. I also have a good contact we are working with called Mel Wilson who has a tonne of experience (details above) who can answer some of your questions. I have had a few "aha!" moments myself so feel free to call for an honest chat about where this stuff fits in. I'll share my phone number off list. :-)<br>
<br>Regards Roland<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 August 2010 09:54, WEIR Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">(See below my rant)</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">This was a statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my bit)</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">We looked at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we were a bit concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB connectivity, student file space and printing.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Also word processors and presentation tools are not included in the package so we had to add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to purchase those apps, I am not sure about site and volume licensing from apple for ipad apps.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">I know things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such as pages, but with the wireless running at all times battery life gets shortened and the ipad does not charge from a standard charger, it actually requires a 1 amp usb port and I believe most computers max out a 500 – 700ma. So the availability and OHS requirements for the power need to be considered.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">There was also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro’s and cons for custom OS and other things but what then happens to the security of the network. Should schools support devices that have been jail broken and how can we stop students Jail braking the device especially if we let them take the devices home.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">From a LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did find some major benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but as the main stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of the ipad. Let’s see what apple says for second generation.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Some of the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books especially Shakespeare and other novels.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Also at this point we are actually taking a step back from technology and really look at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced by whatever “device” we choose.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; color: navy; font-size: 10pt;">Anyway this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad dose of flu. So happy to see a healthy discussion. </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Many schools have also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a ‘computer’ under the DER</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">funding. Initially, the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible. However, the following advice was</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">Many of you have sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets eligibility requirements</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">under the National Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to advise that DEEWR</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">considers that the iPad does meet the existing definitions of an eligible computer device under</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">the Fund. An iPad is a particular type of tablet computer and these have been considered as</span></font></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">A tablet, including the iPad, allows users to input information via QWERTY typing, it runs word</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">processing and other efficiency applications and it provides a means of accessing information</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">from the Internet. The major difference between a tablet and a conventional laptop is that the</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">keyboard is a software generated function on a screen rather than a physical object. The iPad</span></font></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">In summary, DEEWR considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased under the Fund but</span></font></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt;">it is a matter for education authorities/schools to decide if the application suite on an iPad meets</span></font></i></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span></font><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">A poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy iPads, would they count as <i><span style="font-style: italic;">computers</span></i> in the annual school ICT inventory (and therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12 students per computer)?<br clear="all">
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