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<div>Hi Claudia..</div>
<div>you have (almost) as many in VCE as my whole school. VET is actually quite popular up here but then again, it is done in parallel with local TAFE and training organisations plus my 2 in-house VET-IT courses.
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<div>Lets just say that there are LOTS of course choices available and taken up by students here at senior levels so class sizes hence are smallish in the remaining subjects that run.</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><font color="#3366ff">ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</font></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 September 2010 1:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I always find this an interesting discussion at this time of year.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have since 2000 had fairly consistent numbers, so over three different study designs we have had one full class of IPM/ITA of about 20-25, and an SD class of 8-14. The numbers are similar next year with ITA just slipping over the 25
mark to allow us to have two classes. (our Year 11-12 cohort is about 360) Year 11 and Year 10 have solid numbers, with year 10 having 4-6 semester electives running most years.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We have not been able to sustain any VET classes (we tend to go against the trend in this area), we had it one 2 year cycle a couple of years back.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And I know we often blame the study design but there are so many factors that impact on students decisions to choose a subject. As VCE Coordinator I would say, in general, the exact content of a course has limited influence over selection,
other than having to have a general interest in that subject area. Peer group, prerequisites, and certainly not least the teachers they have had as well as the teachers expected to teach the subject have ever increasing influence. Most kids I spoke to about
ITA/SD hadn’t even realised there were any changes for next year, because they had made the selection on what a teacher said or did and what their friend who is doing it this year said etc. Not sure what we teach is an important as how we teach it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Claudia</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: my 2 cents because I had 5 minute free on a weekend while in the middle of the last SD SAC of the year!</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Claudia Graham</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] ITApps 2011?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another slightly different perspective on this topic,....</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IFF statistical analysis is to reveal anything and as stats are a lot to do with sampling, population sizes and so on(I am not a statistician by the way...) then howcome the 'random audits' conducted by the body overseeing our course seems
to 'randomly' pick same schools for audit regularly(me now 4 years in a row!) and add to that then, why did I bother to organize a partnership arrangement with other schools. Some things dont make sense and these are but two of them to me.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, as far as results go, I've done quite nicely the last 2 years thanks very much with my small cohort. BUT, seems I.T.Apps may be dead here now..not sure but dont think anyone picked it for '11.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Got Certs 2 & 3 running instead now. Also might convert the middle school I.T. to programming and game development using Actionscript and similar...</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">my 2.57 cents worth..</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">KB.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kent Beveridge</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Roland Gesthuizen [rgesthuizen@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 11 September 2010 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Three years ago, my VCE IT classes got shouldered with the Arts block so the my students are generally drawn from Maths-Science to Business Studies-Arts. Most have an ESL background and my most 'accademic' IT student has only been in Australia
for a couple of years and struggles with many basic computing ideas. I am still smouldering by the reviewer who openly ticked me off for a decline in IT results. Explaining to a bean-counter about small sample sizes, teaching for all and shifting cohort groups
doesnt cut much cloth when they wave their moderation wand.<br>
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Oddly enough, I have more girls in my year 12 class than boys. I put this to the splendid Go-Girls-Gor-For IT seminar we ran for the year 10s a couple of years ago. My guess is that if I hadn't done this, we would also be down to just one class. The pictures
speak for themselves and I believe they are running the event again.<br>
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/plakboek/sets/72157624373556087/" target="_blank">
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Lock and load .. <br>
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Regards Roland<br>
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PS: My biggest challenge is enthusing kids to return to school / class following the term break for revision and sticking it out. For the past couple of years, I sit outside the examination room to fire off a threatening glare for anybody that even just dates
to think about leaving early (sigh) .. some later admit that the thought of a grumpy Mr G lurking outside keeps them indoors.<br>
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PSS: Increasingly like the idea of switching to offering SD instead next year.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Brendyn Hancock <<a href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many of our kids are taking classes with fancy names and little content. Many of them are going for classes that require less of them. Many of the VCE kids are going to VCAL/VET.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Lots are going to more social based content classes. Environmental Studies. Social Justice studies. Art.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My observation.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you know where they're going instead?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 September 2010 09:46, Brendyn Hancock <<a href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Was just about to post this same discussion. We seem to be all re-visiting this.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Nagle has an enrolment of 950. 2011 classes have just been drafted. Unit 1-2=8 students, Unit 3-4=1 student</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting to note we can only raise 2 classes of 25 student for a term elective of gamemaker in Y10 as well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Trends are trending away from us..</p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 10 September 2010 9:01 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's really odd! <br>
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ITA, which has run continuously <b>forever</b> with good numbers has barely scraped a class together for next year by combining year elevens and twelves into one small ITA class.<br>
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SD, which has only run every 3 or so years (with a small cohort when it did run), is nearly over-subscribed.<br>
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There don't seem to be any clear local causes for such a great change of attitude (e.g. changes of teachers or big changes in middle-years IT offerings) so I can only put it down to either something in the water, or the changes to the study design.<br>
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To be fair, I haven't heard kids explicitly blaming the ITA study design, and for some reason they seem dead keen on programming in our year 10 Info Systems elective. My year 11 IT classes have been dead quiet for 2 weeks with the kids busily coding in VB6.
Last year I had to beat them with chairs to finish the VB material... this year I can sit up the front folding paper aeroplanes and clipping my toenails while they beaver away and sort out problems within their own ranks.<br>
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