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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thank you. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is very revealing I believe. It is clear to see that your
school places a very high value in ICT as a subject and ICT as a skill, along
with ICT as a method for curric delivery.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>With the trend to integrated ICT, many have thought that
there was no longer any need to have ICT as a subject. I reckon this has
had a greater impact on ITA numbers then we have given it credit for.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>Brendyn Hancock<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>ICT Manager<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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color:#76923C'>Nagle College<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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color:#76923C'>PO Box 507<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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color:#76923C'>BAIRNSDALE VIC 3875<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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color:#76923C'>p 03 5152 6122 ext954<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Claudia Graham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 13 September 2010 8:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Brendyn,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We still have IT as a core subject in year 5-8 (content a bit of
everything – not really my specialty haven’t taught year 5 for
about 5 years). Our year 9, have a dedicated centre, with lap top (compulsory
and a core it subject), students can also elect to get a laptop earlier in
year7 I think and we also have a class worth of laptops between each middle
school class (Y5-8)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Year 10 has Game Maker (mostly boys), Event Management (mostly
girls) and DIYIT (a more hands on class). We are looking at adding a robotics
unit in a couple of year. All our Year 10 subject not just IT must have ICT in
them – as they all have laptop we must utilize them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We do not block until students select subjects (late July) and a
decision has been made about what subject/classes run. So the other subjects
they select generally don’t clash as we start our blocking from year 12
down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t think we do anything special, others do far more
creative and cutting edge stuff then we do. We are just happy we have been able
to weather the decline in numbers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>*********************************************************************</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Claudia Graham</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>VCE Coordinator</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Overnewton College</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>9334 0049 (direct)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brendyn Hancock<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 13 September 2010 8:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Interesting comments. Can you give the list an overview of your
ICT class structure years 7-12? Are your y10 classes all electives?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>Brendyn Hancock<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>ICT Manager<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>Nagle College<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>PO Box 507<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>BAIRNSDALE VIC 3875<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>p 03 5152 6122 ext954<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#76923C'>f 03 5152 6220<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Claudia Graham<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 September 2010 1:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software
Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] 2011 numbers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I always find this an interesting discussion at this time of
year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We have since 2000 had fairly consistent numbers, so over three
different study designs we have had one full class of IPM/ITA of about 20-25,
and an SD class of 8-14. The numbers are similar next year with ITA just
slipping over the 25 mark to allow us to have two classes. (our Year 11-12 cohort
is about 360) Year 11 and Year 10 have solid numbers, with year 10 having 4-6
semester electives running most years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>We have not been able to sustain any VET classes (we tend to go
against the trend in this area), we had it one 2 year cycle a couple of years
back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>And I know we often blame the study design but there are so many
factors that impact on students decisions to choose a subject. As VCE
Coordinator I would say, in general, the exact content of a course has limited
influence over selection, other than having to have a general interest in that
subject area. Peer group, prerequisites, and certainly not least the teachers
they have had as well as the teachers expected to teach the subject have ever
increasing influence. Most kids I spoke to about ITA/SD hadn’t even
realised there were any changes for next year, because they had made the
selection on what a teacher said or did and what their friend who is doing it
this year said etc. Not sure what we teach is an important as how we teach it. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Claudia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>PS: my 2 cents because I had 5 minute free on a weekend while in
the middle of the last SD SAC of the year!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>*********************************************************************</span><span
style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Claudia Graham</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>VCE Coordinator</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Assistant to the Head of Staff (Keilor Campus)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>Overnewton College</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial Black","sans-serif";
color:maroon'>9334 0049 (direct)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 September 2010 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] ITApps 2011?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Another slightly different perspective on this topic,....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>IFF statistical analysis is to reveal anything and as stats are a
lot to do with sampling, population sizes and so on(I am not a statistician by
the way...) then howcome the 'random audits' conducted by the body overseeing
our course seems to 'randomly' pick same schools for audit regularly(me now 4
years in a row!) and add to that then, why did I bother to organize a
partnership arrangement with other schools. Some things dont make sense and
these are but two of them to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Also, as far as results go, I've done quite nicely the last 2
years thanks very much with my small cohort. BUT, seems I.T.Apps may be
dead here now..not sure but dont think anyone picked it for '11.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>Got Certs 2 & 3 running instead now. Also might convert
the middle school I.T. to programming and game development using Actionscript
and similar...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>my 2.57 cents worth..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:black'>KB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:blue;
background:white'>Kent Beveridge</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:#3366FF'>ICT Co-ordinator, St.Brigids CSC, HORSHAM,Vic,Aus.</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of
Roland Gesthuizen [rgesthuizen@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 11 September 2010 10:56 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Three
years ago, my VCE IT classes got shouldered with the Arts block so the my
students are generally drawn from Maths-Science to Business Studies-Arts. Most
have an ESL background and my most 'accademic' IT student has only been in
Australia for a couple of years and struggles with many basic computing ideas.
I am still smouldering by the reviewer who openly ticked me off for a decline
in IT results. Explaining to a bean-counter about small sample sizes, teaching
for all and shifting cohort groups doesnt cut much cloth when they wave their
moderation wand.<br>
<br>
Oddly enough, I have more girls in my year 12 class than boys. I put this to
the splendid Go-Girls-Gor-For IT seminar we ran for the year 10s a couple of
years ago. My guess is that if I hadn't done this, we would also be down to
just one class. The pictures speak for themselves and I believe they are
running the event again.<br>
<a
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/plakboek/sets/72157624373556087/"
target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/plakboek/sets/72157624373556087/</a><br>
<br>
Lock and load .. <br>
<br>
Regards Roland<br>
<br>
PS: My biggest challenge is enthusing kids to return to school / class
following the term break for revision and sticking it out. For the past couple
of years, I sit outside the examination room to fire off a threatening glare
for anybody that even just dates to think about leaving early (sigh) .. some
later admit that the thought of a grumpy Mr G lurking outside keeps them
indoors.<br>
<br>
PSS: Increasingly like the idea of switching to offering SD instead next year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM,
Brendyn Hancock <<a href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>M<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Many of our kids are taking classes with fancy names and
little content. Many of them are going for classes that require less of them.
Many of the VCE kids are going to VCAL/VET.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Lots are going to more social based content classes.
Environmental Studies. Social Justice studies. Art.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>My observation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='color:black'>Brendyn Hancock</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>ICT Manager</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>Nagle College</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>PO Box 507</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>BAIRNSDALE VIC 3875</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>p 03 5152 6122 ext954</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>f 03 5152 6220</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 10 September 2010 9:59 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>Subject:</span></b><span
style='color:black'> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Do you know where they're going instead?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>On 10 September 2010 09:46, Brendyn Hancock <<a
href="mailto:BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">BHancock@nagle.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Was just about to post this same discussion. We seem to be
all re-visiting this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Nagle has an enrolment of 950. 2011 classes have just been
drafted. Unit 1-2=8 students, Unit 3-4=1 student<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Interesting to note we can only raise 2 classes of 25
student for a term elective of gamemaker in Y10 as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Trends are trending away from us..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='color:black'>Brendyn Hancock</span></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>ICT Manager</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>Nagle College</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>PO Box 507</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>BAIRNSDALE VIC 3875</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>p 03 5152 6122 ext954</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='color:black'>f 03 5152 6220</span></i><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> <a
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 10 September 2010 9:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Year 12 Software
Development Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] McKinnon classes 2011<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'>It's really odd! <br>
<br>
ITA, which has run continuously <b>forever</b> with good numbers has barely
scraped a class together for next year by combining year elevens and twelves
into one small ITA class.<br>
<br>
SD, which has only run every 3 or so years (with a small cohort when it did
run), is nearly over-subscribed.<br>
<br>
There don't seem to be any clear local causes for such a great change of
attitude (e.g. changes of teachers or big changes in middle-years IT offerings)
so I can only put it down to either something in the water, or the changes to
the study design.<br>
<br>
To be fair, I haven't heard kids explicitly blaming the ITA study design, and
for some reason they seem dead keen on programming in our year 10 Info Systems
elective. My year 11 IT classes have been dead quiet for 2 weeks with the kids
busily coding in VB6. Last year I had to beat them with chairs to finish
the VB material... this year I can sit up the front folding paper aeroplanes
and clipping my toenails while they beaver away and sort out problems within their
own ranks.<br>
<br>
Odd!<br clear=all>
<br>
-- <br>
Mark Kelly<br>
Information Systems Manager; Reporting Manager<br>
McKinnon Secondary College<br>
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>
Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085<br>
School Phone +613 8520 9000, Fax +613 9578 9253<br>
<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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Mark Kelly<br>
Information Systems Manager; Reporting Manager<br>
McKinnon Secondary College<br>
McKinnon Rd McKinnon 3204, Victoria, Australia<br>
Direct line / Voicemail: 8520 9085<br>
School Phone +613 8520 9000, Fax +613 9578 9253<br>
<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a><br>
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