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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>WEIR Andrew<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 12 August 2010 9:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are ipad 'computers'?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Roland,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>What solution could we use for outputting video to a data projector
from the Ipad?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:navy'>Looking at it from the point of view of students delivering to a
class.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Roland Gesthuizen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 11:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Melvin Wilson Jr.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span><span
lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thaks Andrew and Mark. We are
one of the iPad schools and yes, they are a consumer device but having said
that .. these eBooks have a huge potential to leverage change and most of the
issues that you raise are solvable. Check this OLPC XO3 video out about the
open mode linux model due for release. Don't hang around waiting for stuff to
happen, you can get some learning traction with this stuff now using Apple
iPads.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMzuS2qZfc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILMzuS2qZfc</a><br>
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First thing is to get one for yourself and school administration team. Then you
will learn first hand what how where what etc. Don't skimp on the docking
station. It is also wise to consider kicking off with a class set too. I hope
to put something together to talk about these tablet computers at the VITTA
conference .. if nobody else is already (hint??). The EdTech Crew have also
been reviewing them in their podcasts. You can always return it to the library
for loans etc when you have had your fill of tablet computing.<br>
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Like other schools, we are in the same boat .. holding over the residual funds
left from the NSSCP grant for further iPads instead of netbooks or considering
wider deployments across entire year levels. Kind of glad we purchased Macbooks
on trolleys with our first stage. I also have a good contact we are working
with called Mel Wilson who has a tonne of experience (details above) who can
answer some of your questions. I have had a few "aha!" moments myself
so feel free to call for an honest chat about where this stuff fits in. I'll
share my phone number off list. :-)<br>
<br>
Regards Roland<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 5 August 2010 09:54, WEIR Andrew <<a
href="mailto:andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au">andrew.weir@thomascarr.vic.edu.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Mark,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>(See below
my rant)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>This was a
statement circulated to the CEO schools. (At the end of my bit)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>We looked
at the ipad; they are a nice media consumption device but we were a bit
concerned about getting data on and off the device IE USB connectivity, student
file space and printing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Also word
processors and presentation tools are not included in the package so we had to
add another Approx $40 to the cost of the device to purchase those apps, I am
not sure about site and volume licensing from apple for ipad apps.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>I know
things like Google docs could replace the need for the apps such as pages, but
with the wireless running at all times battery life gets shortened and the ipad
does not charge from a standard charger, it actually requires a 1 amp usb port
and I believe most computers max out a 500 – 700ma. So the availability and OHS
requirements for the power need to be considered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>There was
also the issue of support and Jail Braking. There are pro’s and cons for custom
OS and other things but what then happens to the security of the network.
Should schools support devices that have been jail broken and how can we stop
students Jail braking the device especially if we let them take the devices
home.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>From a
LOTE, Humanities and to some point English point of view we did find some major
benefits and have not ruled out purchasing two class sets but as the main
stream student device we are not totally convinced of version 1 of the ipad.
Let’s see what apple says for second generation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Some of
the pro’s were ITunes university, Ipad books especially Shakespeare and other
novels.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Also at
this point we are actually taking a step back from technology and really look
at the curriculum so that it is supported and enhanced by whatever “device” we
choose.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Anyway
this is only just the opinion of a teacher getting over a bad dose of flu. So
happy to see a healthy discussion. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Andrew</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>*****************************************************************</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>iPad</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many schools have
also asked if the new iPad would be approved as a ‘computer’ under the DER</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>funding. Initially,
the advice from DEEWR was that it was not eligible. However, the following
advice was</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>received by us on 23
June:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Many of you have
sought advice about whether the new Apple iPad meets eligibility requirements</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>under the National
Secondary School Computer Fund. I would like to advise that DEEWR</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>considers that the
iPad does meet the existing definitions of an eligible computer device under</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the Fund. An iPad is
a particular type of tablet computer and these have been considered as</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>eligible devices
since the implementation of the Fund in 2008.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>A tablet, including
the iPad, allows users to input information via QWERTY typing, it runs word</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>processing and other
efficiency applications and it provides a means of accessing information</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>from the Internet.
The major difference between a tablet and a conventional laptop is that the</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>keyboard is a
software generated function on a screen rather than a physical object. The iPad</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>runs different
applications from other laptops.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>In summary, DEEWR
considers that the iPad, as a tablet, can be purchased under the Fund but</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>it is a matter for
education authorities/schools to decide if the application suite on an iPad
meets</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><i><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>the educational needs
of their students.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:14.5pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:navy'>Andrew
Weir</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>Information Technology
Co-ordinator</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:navy'>Thomas Carr College</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark KELLY<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 5 August 2010 9:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Year 12 IT Apps] [OT] Are iPads 'computers'?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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poser just occurred to me as I plan budgets for next year: if we buy iPads,
would they count as <i>computers</i> in the annual school ICT inventory (and
therefore count towards DEECD's planned 1:1 ratio of year 9-12 students per
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McKinnon Secondary College<br>
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