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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Thanks Kevork.<BR>
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Cheers<BR>
George Ciotti <BR>
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On 5/16/10 12:53 AM, "Kevork Krozian" <<a href="K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au">K.Krozian@fhc.vic.edu.au</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT COLOR="#1F497D">Hi Folks,<BR>
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I am just empathising with all these rising stress levels out there . So, I hope this will make you feel a great deal better.<BR>
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Having not taught IT apps in the current study design cycle I have been asked to step in starting next week to take over an IT Apps class.<BR>
Ok , now for the hard part. Where do I start ? Surely I have been reading all the posts over the last 3 years on this list. Well there is reading and then there is reading.<BR>
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In the last few days I have reread every post since late 2006 through the archives and looked at every file posted. It took about 12 hours – give or take - to step through about 6000 posts. <BR>
In that time I have begun to extract some serious information about the current issues regarding SAC32 ( I will have to go back to SAC31 as a revision task ).<BR>
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Here is what I have found so far:<BR>
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1. I have posted every SAC32 shared on the lists as well as every contribution related to preparation for SAC32. <BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">a. There are around 5 contributions of actual practice SACs or activities to prepare students for SAC32 under Resources on the IT Apps link at Edulists<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">b. <U>There are 6 actual SACs contributed</U> by your kind and considerate colleagues. These are under the SACs section of the IT Apps link ( password needed – apply at www.edulists.com.au <<a href="http://www.edulists.com.au">http://www.edulists.com.au</a>> ).<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">2. Harry Schlanger has kindly contributed a wiki, a readme and a guide, that can be incorporated in the web site of the prototype of SAC32 called Tiddlywiki posted under Resources as above in 1(a).<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">3. All the software functions for each SAC are listed through the link to the VCAA site but more importantly not ALL of these need to be shown in each SAC for assessment. A selection representing the majority should be assessed based on what the teacher is comfortable assessing. <BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">4. There is useful feedback outlining the success or otherwise of SACs audited or checked by the state reviewers. Again the report is linked through the IT Apps site.<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">5. There are many helpful comments and offers of support from a large number of teachers to make life easier for others.<BR>
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<FONT COLOR="#1F497D">6. There are a number of teachers needing more help as they may be first year in IT Apps even if experienced otherwise in IT or in other methods.<BR>
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So, in conclusion I join all those who are truly doing their level best to give their students every chance to maximise their results this year. <BR>
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I look forward to your help and offer mine in return as we navigate this year together.<BR>
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Kind Regards<BR>
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Kevork Krozian<BR>
Edulists Creator Administrator<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT SIZE="2"><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:10pt'><B>From:</B> <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>George Ciotti<BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 12 May 2010 3:59 PM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List; Robert Hind<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>With all due respect, what you’re effectively saying is that after all your experience you wont provide Andrew with one of your SACs? Or one of the SACs that you may have gotten from someone else in the past and successfully used in your class? <BR>
I would give you one of mine if I had one Andrew but I am in the same boat as other first year ITA teachers. It seems to me that SACs that others have used successfully in the past or indeed are using currently are few and far between. Not any on the VITTA unless you’re doing the Software SAC, heaps of those!<BR>
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The big question is why? I would have thought that by now there would/should be plenty. How many ITA teachers are there out there? <BR>
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If you don’t mind Andrew, I wouldn’t mind looking at the ones you have.<BR>
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Thanks in advance.<BR>
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George Ciotti<BR>
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On 5/12/10 11:53 AM, "Robert Hind" <<a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a>> wrote:<BR>
</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Arial">Hi Andrew!<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">We've all been down the same road. First time teaching the subject. Not sure exactly what the study design means! Am I doing the right thing? What help can I get? Where can I get it?<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">That is where the ITApps list really helps. You can ask for help and usually get it.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">I was teaching IT when the VCE started. We had CATs - and now SACs. Those of us teaching at that time had to develop our own CATs and SACs - especially in non-metropolitan schools, where I was teaching at that time, as we had no local support. The whole Edulists did not exist and there were no commercially available resources. I am now retired from full time teaching.<BR>
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</FONT></SPAN><FONT SIZE="5"><FONT FACE="Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:18pt'>So what am I saying to you?<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Arial">Don't agonise too much about this SAC. You have two examples already - so, unless you are not happy with either of them, go with one of those. Modify of course to suit your students and the software you and they are using.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">The SAC has to allow students to demonstrate the required skills- see the VCAA Assessment Handbook for ITApps at <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/studies/infotech/InfoTechHB_2007.doc</a>> <BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Then really all you have to do is rank the students in order of their ability to satisfy the requirements for the SAC. The moderation of the internal assessments via the exam marks takes care of assessment differences between schools/teachers.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Good luck with SAC 2<BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">Robert Hind (Semi-retired) OOF, GOM (Thanks Kent!)<BR>
Ashwood and Traralgon<BR>
<a href="robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</a><BR>
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</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Townsley, Andrew A" <<a href="townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">><BR>
To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List" <<a href="itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">><BR>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:23 AM<BR>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] sac2<BR>
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> Hi,<BR>
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> I am after another SAC for outcome 2. I have 2 already and really would like to see another if possible.<BR>
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> A.Townsley<BR>
> <a href="townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au">mailto:townsley.andrew.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">> Fountain Gate SC<BR>
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> -----Original Message-----<BR>
> From: <a href="itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>> </FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">on behalf of Jackson Bates<BR>
> Sent: Tue 11/05/2010 11:16 AM<BR>
> To: <a href="itapps@edulists.com.au">itapps@edulists.com.au</a></FONT><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"> <<a href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</a>> <BR>
</FONT><FONT FACE="Arial">> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] U3O2 - Ok to code entirely in Notepad?<BR>
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> Hi,<BR>
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> This is probably a dumb question, but if a pupil is proficient in html<BR>
> and css, can they create their prototype website in Notepad (or Vym, or<BR>
> Notepad++ etc). I know the task must be completed using appropriate<BR>
> software that can create a website, but does that include something as<BR>
> simple as a text editor or must they use Dreamweaver or another WYSIWYG<BR>
> type of editor?<BR>
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> Cheers,<BR>
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> Jackson Bates<BR>
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> Waverley Christian College<BR>
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