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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Gee Roland,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>you are opening up a completely different can of
worms. The whole political spin of language. Loved your first para - so much so
that I'll repeat it now</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>"<FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">What many call
a settlement, others call an occupied territory. What many describe as pioneers,
others describe as invaders. What many describe as illegal migrants, others
describe as desperate refugees. What some hide as government owned, private and
confidential, others may report as being in the public interest. What the media
describes as a balanced debate, scientists describe as pandering airplay to
crackpots."</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">Well done!
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><FONT size=3 face="Times New Roman">So what do the
list members have to say about it?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman"></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and
Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 02, 2010 5:09
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT Apps] Hacking
through the classroom IT Language</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>No Donna, you did raise a good point and thanks for raising
this. I am being careful here not to pick on any one issue, broadening it from
the original hacker vs cracker debate to something more interesting .. What
many call a settlement, others call an occupied territory. What many describe
as pioneers, others describe as invaders. What many describe as illegal
migrants, others describe as desperate refugees. What some hide as government
owned, private and confidential, others may report as being in the public
interest. What the media describes as a balanced debate, scientists describe
as pandering airplay to crackpots.<BR><BR>Even our very real world of IT is
not so black and white. Crikey, what some call a benevolent security filter,
others describe as the great firewall. <BR><BR>Should students be aware of
this language play and be guided to identify the associated tensions. There
are some powerful groups and corporations that like to think they can control
our thinking and steer opinion. Humanities teachers have to juggle the spin
put onto our language all the time. Would anybody on the list like to share
how they deal with this?<BR><BR>I have my doubts that common usage should
dictate the ideas of what we should teach. That is not to say that we cannot
describe what people generally think. I bump into this every year when I start
to describe information and data to get students to think about these terms as
as IT professionals do, not as a lay member of the public. Any valid claim for
how we should use a term should probably be based on sound arguments, not
popularity.<BR><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 9pt"></SPAN><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 2 April 2010 10:48, Donna Benjamin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:donna@cc.com.au">donna@cc.com.au</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV class=im>On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 18:33 +1100, Mark KELLY wrote:<BR>> I
fear the battle is already lost; 99% of the<BR>> population simply does
not know or care about the difference: and they<BR>>
win.<BR><BR></DIV>But you are IT teachers, teaching IT students, who surely
should at<BR>least be exposed to the notion there is a difference?<BR><BR>Or
should I just pull my head in?<BR><BR>Common Usage is not always Correct
Usage.<BR><BR>I fort youse guise mite no that.<BR><FONT
color=#888888><BR>--<BR></FONT>
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