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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi all!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Good Friday and all is well. Have avoided buying
either hot cross buns or chocolate eggs/bunnies/bilbies :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Since I have been "semi-retired", I have not
contributed as much to the list as I once did. However I do like to keep
up-to-date by reading the emails to the list and do post my thoughts on
occasion. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We do have a few emails from teachers new
to/unfamiliar with the ITA study design seeking clarification and help.
These requests usually elicit responses from others on the list. That is great,
but it would be nice to see even more such requests for information - we all
were new to the subject at some stage. We all made our first staggering
footsteps, some of the older ones among us with absolutely no help available -
how we would have liked some help! </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We owe the recent "newbies" all the help we can
give them. </FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial>So if you are a "newby" and you have a
question - post it to the list. You will get help!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What am I doing to help at the moment? Well I have
just started a document called "An Introduction to Databases Using
OpenOffice.org Base" which I hope will be use use in the new ITA course. Will
arrange for it to be available online for your comments when completed. Will be
a while as I am learning OpenOffice at the same time :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Could base it on Access 2007, but have a preference
for open source software. Your thoughts on that please.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and
Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au
href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">Kent Beveridge</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 02, 2010 12:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT Apps] Lists stats
suggestion mate...Kent</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; DIRECTION: ltr; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 13px">
<DIV>Hi Kevork,</DIV>
<DIV>471 members on the lists? </DIV>
<DIV>Any chance of a statistical breakdown by subject? Regular posters
compared to Non-regular posters(active vs non-active list participation -
based on say, number of posts per month perhaps?).(names not necessary)</DIV>
<DIV>It would be an interesting exercise to see the results of such an
analysis.</DIV>
<DIV>How about a 'top 10' of discussion topics raised over the last 5
years?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just a few thoughts.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Mate, given my use of these lists..I am prepared to 'donate' a small
amount for my part of the list usage as it has provided me with a great
professional link to my fellow colleagues on a variety of topics/issues.</DIV>
<DIV>And, like yourself, I too am guilty of having made a small number of
gaffes on these lists..but then, those who know me, already know I usually
lead with my chin(not always recommended practise!)....</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>keep up the great work and to others reading this...promote these lists
and the information they provide!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>To those who just read the lists and rarely participate - we NEED your
inputs too! Surely among the 471, there are more than the small number
of regulars who have resources and valuable info to contribute..cmon guys and
gals..get active and talk to us!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>happy easter folks..</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kent Beveridge (lister from way back!)</DIV>
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<DIV style="DIRECTION: ltr" id=divRpF212282><FONT color=#000000 size=2
face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au
[itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] on behalf of Kevork Krozian
[kevork@edulists.com.au]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, 28 March 2010 9:51
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps study
design<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It is great advice you give Mark when a
controversial email is about to be sent to just let it sit and gather some
dust before actually posting. I know I have regretted certain emails I have
written in the past and have tried to correct them to no avail. One in
particular caused the accused to be further isolated off line by those who
chose one side and continued the attack. When I apologised for the original
post and asked the accused to come back - they had chosen to leave
the lists upon my not so subtle advice .... - I was asked
to take up the fight against those who had continued the attack off line. So
messy , so unfortunate, so unnecessary. I wish I could turn back the clock ...
but alas. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On a more general point, it is of concern to me
that we simply don't get enough of our lurkers to join in our discussions.
Latest census shows 471 itapps subscribers. Could it be that they know
it all and don't need to ask anything ? Or more ominously could it be that
they are afraid they might be shot down if they make a comment ? Anecdotally,
I do hear that some feel their work may not be up to the standard they think
is on these discussions and hence do not join in. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am working on acquiring sponsorship to
recognise contributions and participation on these lists ( I did think
the support and professional satisfaction was enough but maybe not,
for many ). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I am looking at a 1st , 2nd and 3rd placement
for volume of contributions and support of others over a school
year</FONT> <FONT size=2 face=Arial>along the lines of a substantial gift
for those who help others - a laptop, a powerful mobile device, etc are my
preferences.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>While I work on the sponsorship front, I want to
congratulate Roland, Adrian, Robert, Mark and others for their professional
handling of this thread. As Roland said we couldn't see the body language when
he was typing and as Adrian mentioned, it took a long, long time to bring
together this Study Design that was not so visible to many and the steering
committee was of the view every opportunity was afforded for input. The
solution to all our woes lies in open honest communication.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Ahhh, first Sunday of our holidays , and we are
here working and fighting for the cause. It that a form of
the Stockholm/Helsinki syndrome in action ??</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sending this after waiting the requisite 60
mins in the Drafts folder following Mark's wise words. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Warm Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>Kevork Krozian<BR><A href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>kevork@edulists.com.au</A><BR><A
href="http://www.edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>www.edulists.com.au</A><BR>Tel: 0419 356 034</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4"><B>From:</B> <A
title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com"
target=_blank>Roland Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target=_blank>Year 12 IT Applications
Teachers' Mailing List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:23
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps
study design</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Adrian and I get on well off-list so this is nothing
personal. I apologize if I have offended anybody with a cavalier quip that
I'll admit was casually tacked onto my post without thinking. I'll admit
exhaustion and complacency, regretting that I ever hinted an ability to do
the interim school reports. It has been good to see this list gain some fire
and traction again. <BR><BR>Robert does raise an interesting point that we
need to be careful with what voice we speak with, especially from our
signature tags. I don't think that Adrian was writing on behalf of VITTA as
President and I wasn't writing on behalf of my school. He is quite justified
to defend the study design team reputation. I guess for this reason, I have
been adding a disclaimer to the bottom of my messages so that I am not
giving undue authority to my words or posts. <BR><BR>Regards
Roland<BR><BR>Disclaimer: The views in this e-mail are entirely my own. I'll
shout a beverage with anybody that meets up with me next week at the
national conference and indicates they are from the study design team.
:-)<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 28 March 2010 16:34, Janson, Adrian A <<A
href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au"
target=_blank>janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</A>> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial>Hi Robert and
others,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert - you raise a good point - my language
was a little strong and for that I do apologise (and also would have been
better off-list). I want to categorically state that feedback and
discussion is very important and I (personally) want to encourage that as
much as I possibly can. Discussion of the study design only furthers
all of our understanding of it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's just that it frustrates me when comments
like this are made off the cuff without the right basis. I also
think that discussion should be phrased in the right way - positively -
rather than negatively. That is, 'I notice that cloud computing is
in the study but I am not sure what the context is? Can someone
clarify this for me?'. This would be a fair way to start the
discussion rather than saying that there is an omission and implying that
no research was done into the topic. I think that there are some
dangers in taking summary documents (such as the one that Mark Kelly has
created) and using these are a basis for understanding of the study.
The study needs to be read in the context of the key knowledge and key
skills - Mark's summary is a great tool and should serve as a start
only.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think I am a little sensitive to this
knowing how much work has gone into the study and the efforts that VCAA
have gone to to involve everyone in the process. The study design is
really looking exciting - I can't wait to teach it!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Adrian</FONT></DIV>
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