Ah, I haven't seen a <i>really</i> good flame war since my dark and evil Usenet days and the infamous bunfight about Derek Smart (<i>Battlecruiser 3000AD)</i>...<br><br>My, that <b>defined</b> flame war!<br><br>It still lingers today: <a href="http://follies.werewolves.org">http://follies.werewolves.org</a><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Timmer-Arends <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:timmer@melbpc.org.au">timmer@melbpc.org.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regards</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Robert T-A</font></div>
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<div style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="kevork@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Kevork
Krozian</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</a> </div>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:51
PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps
study design</div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi Folks,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It is great advice you give Mark when a
controversial email is about to be sent to just let it sit and gather some
dust before actually posting. I know I have regretted certain emails I have
written in the past and have tried to correct them to no avail. One in
particular caused the accused to be further isolated off line by those who
chose one side and continued the attack. When I apologised for the original
post and asked the accused to come back - they had chosen to leave
the lists upon my not so subtle advice .... - I was asked
to take up the fight against those who had continued the attack off line. So
messy , so unfortunate, so unnecessary. I wish I could turn back the clock ...
but alas. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">On a more general point, it is of concern to me
that we simply don't get enough of our lurkers to join in our discussions.
Latest census shows 471 itapps subscribers. Could it be that they know
it all and don't need to ask anything ? Or more ominously could it be that
they are afraid they might be shot down if they make a comment ? Anecdotally,
I do hear that some feel their work may not be up to the standard they think
is on these discussions and hence do not join in. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am working on acquiring sponsorship to
recognise contributions and participation on these lists ( I did think
the support and professional satisfaction was enough but maybe not,
for many ). </font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I am looking at a 1st , 2nd and 3rd placement
for volume of contributions and support of others over a school
year</font> <font face="Arial" size="2">along the lines of a substantial gift
for those who help others - a laptop, a powerful mobile device, etc are my
preferences.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">While I work on the sponsorship front, I want to
congratulate Roland, Adrian, Robert, Mark and others for their professional
handling of this thread. As Roland said we couldn't see the body language when
he was typing and as Adrian mentioned, it took a long, long time to bring
together this Study Design that was not so visible to many and the steering
committee was of the view every opportunity was afforded for input. The
solution to all our woes lies in open honest communication.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Ahhh, first Sunday of our holidays , and we are
here working and fighting for the cause. It that a form of
the Stockholm/Helsinki syndrome in action ??</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Sending this after waiting the requisite 60
mins in the Drafts folder following Mark's wise words. </font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Warm Regards</font></div>
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<div>Kevork Krozian<br><a href="mailto:kevork@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">kevork@edulists.com.au</a><br><a href="http://www.edulists.com.au" target="_blank">www.edulists.com.au</a><br>Tel: 0419 356
034</div>
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<div style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% rgb(228, 228, 228); font: 10pt arial;"><b>From:</b>
<a title="rgesthuizen@gmail.com" href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com" target="_blank">Roland
Gesthuizen</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a title="itapps@edulists.com.au" href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" target="_blank">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers'
Mailing List</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 28, 2010 6:23
PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] IT Apps
study design</div>
<div><br></div>Adrian and I get on well off-list so this is nothing
personal. I apologize if I have offended anybody with a cavalier quip that
I'll admit was casually tacked onto my post without thinking. I'll admit
exhaustion and complacency, regretting that I ever hinted an ability to do
the interim school reports. It has been good to see this list gain some fire
and traction again. <br><br>Robert does raise an interesting point that we
need to be careful with what voice we speak with, especially from our
signature tags. I don't think that Adrian was writing on behalf of VITTA as
President and I wasn't writing on behalf of my school. He is quite justified
to defend the study design team reputation. I guess for this reason, I have
been adding a disclaimer to the bottom of my messages so that I am not
giving undue authority to my words or posts. <br><br>Regards
Roland<br><br>Disclaimer: The views in this e-mail are entirely my own. I'll
shout a beverage with anybody that meets up with me next week at the
national conference and indicates they are from the study design team.
:-)<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 28 March 2010 16:34, Janson, Adrian A <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au" target="_blank">janson.adrian.a@edumail.vic.gov.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2">Hi Robert and
others,</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Robert - you raise a good point - my language
was a little strong and for that I do apologise (and also would have been
better off-list). I want to categorically state that feedback and
discussion is very important and I (personally) want to encourage that as
much as I possibly can. Discussion of the study design only furthers
all of our understanding of it.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">It's just that it frustrates me when comments
like this are made off the cuff without the right basis. I also
think that discussion should be phrased in the right way - positively -
rather than negatively. That is, 'I notice that cloud computing is
in the study but I am not sure what the context is? Can someone
clarify this for me?'. This would be a fair way to start the
discussion rather than saying that there is an omission and implying that
no research was done into the topic. I think that there are some
dangers in taking summary documents (such as the one that Mark Kelly has
created) and using these are a basis for understanding of the study.
The study needs to be read in the context of the key knowledge and key
skills - Mark's summary is a great tool and should serve as a start
only.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I think I am a little sensitive to this
knowing how much work has gone into the study and the efforts that VCAA
have gone to to involve everyone in the process. The study design is
really looking exciting - I can't wait to teach it!</font></div>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Cheers,</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Adrian</font></div>
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