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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Roland,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I was not trying to "have a go" at VITTA about the
cost of PD.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I had two main points:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>1. The way PD is offered and how this affects
"country folk".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>2. The basic cost of PD. Anything out of school is
so expensive. Even as a full time teacher I could not afford to be a member of
all three of MAV, VITTA and STAV. Now I am semi-retired :-( How the hell
can I, or others such as CRTs, contract teachers, teachers on family leave,
afford PD at this cost level to retain our VIT registration? Perhaps the
government should put more funding in for PD?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and
Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgesthuizen@gmail.com href="mailto:rgesthuizen@gmail.com">Roland
Gesthuizen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Learn PHP
and MySQL to make useful websites andsupport your students</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>We must not forget that all subject associations have overheads
to cover, from the office that takes the calls, the booking system, badges and
resources. Their stated aim is not to secure slabs of profit or grab the PD
market share or private club, but to improve the lot for all teachers and
education in Victoria.<BR><BR>Whilst we all do our best to reduce costs,
perhaps as Kent and Cameron points out there are ways we could do better. I
recall some VITTA conference grumbles <A
href="http://www.vitta.org.au/conferenceinfo">http://www.vitta.org.au/conferenceinfo</A>
and am keenly aware of the delicate delicate tension from securing more
sponsor donations, nasty venues and over-commercializing a public event. The
many helpers at this splendid state event were volunteers. The Moodle workshop
that I ran last year was at no personal profit. I see no reason why any
subject association would not welcome this dialogue and debate. <BR><BR>Graham
notes that school funds are limited. Increasingly they are used to fund
training to support broader literacy or numeracy school goals, not
maintaining subject specific training for teachers. If you are concerned, it
is an issue you must now raise with your local member or AEU.<BR><BR>Whilst we
can all try to ask our schools for more PD money or organise cheaper, in-house
courses, there is only a tax advantage to teachers if they pay for their PD.
If you are a presenter, there is sometimes also a further discount.
Personally, I find it easier now to put up the money myself and negotiate
instead with my school for time release from teaching to attend an
event.<BR><BR>This year in April, the <A
href="http://www.ACEC2010.info">http://www.ACEC2010.info</A> "digital
diversity" three-day national conference will cost $660 or $220 per day, early
bird offer runs out soon so join me and organise your booking :-) .. As an
education professional, my annual attendance at a professional conference is
as important as those that my doctor attends (and pays for out of his own
pocket) instead of relying on updates from peers or snippets from medical
journals.<BR><BR>Meeting friends face-to-face whilst having fun sharing new
ideas ..<BR><BR>.. that is priceless!<BR><BR>Regards Roland<BR><BR>Disclaimer:
I am a VITTA COM member (on LOA) on the ACEC2010 technical team and notable
conference junkie.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 7 February 2010 09:51, Kent Beveridge <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au">kbeveridge@stbc.vic.edu.au</A>></SPAN>
wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>Hang on a mo..</DIV>
<DIV>Am I to understand this 'PD' is $600 for ONE DAY?(add the price of a
replacement teacher for a day too for participants)</DIV>
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<DIV>'scuse me while I pick myself up off the floor...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(make sure we remember to add accomodation/meal/travel costs for
country folk!)</DIV>
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<DIV>YEP, I'm back on my price-horse again for 2010.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hey Jo, can you cast your mind back to comments I made during our last
phone call and you will know what I am going on about.</DIV>
<DIV>Looks like I have to miss out on another potentially useful PD as
again, have been priced way out of the ball park!!!(the I.T budget up here
aint that big and nor is my wage - thats almost my take home pay for a week
- can we start running PD's at an affordable and reasonable price
pleeeez??)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Lets put something in as a parallel...</DIV>
<DIV>A full Cert IV qualification can be obtained for $1500 and takes an
average of 3-5 months to complete.</DIV>
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<DIV>YEP I know this will upset some readers on this list. Apologies in
advance for those such offended! </DIV>
<DIV>But how are teachers like myself going to get these skills other
than self teaching if we simply cant afford to these things. Perhaps VITTA
should look at the so called 'education revolution' and source funding to
reduce costs of hosting these events to make them more affordable for
'single day PD's '.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am all for offering my students programming at Year 12 but if this is
the cost of training via our subject organisation then many are going to
wonder if the costs of upskilling for the job are worth it. Unfortunately,
the students 'may' be the victims of this cost explosion. </DIV>
<DIV>For what its worth, I wish to introduce Software Devel here at our
school in either 2011 or 2012. I wish to provide my upcoming students every
opportunity but costs like this make it really a challenge!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am happy to take VITTA phone calls to discuss this issue and possible
remedies(but dont offer a time payment plan as that doesnt reduce the
cost).</DIV>
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<DIV>Respectfully closing off..</DIV>
<DIV>Kent.</DIV>
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<DIV style="DIRECTION: ltr"><FONT color=#000000 size=2
face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A> [<A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>] on behalf of Jo McLeay [<A
href="mailto:jo@vitta.org.au"
target=_blank>jo@vitta.org.au</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, 5 February 2010
4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"
target=_blank>itapps@edulists.com.au</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [Year 12 IT
Apps] Learn PHP and MySQL to make useful websites and support your
students<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">PHP and MySQ</SPAN><BR>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><B><BR>Who is
this for?</B><BR>
<UL>
<LI>All teachers who want to update their programming skills to make
dynamic websites
<LI>Teachers of years 8 to 12 VCE & VET teachers, including at Year 11
for Database Programming
<LI>teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and MySQL
<LI>teachers of VCE Software Development
<LI>The day is tailored to fit the beginner, intermediate or advanced
person</LI></UL><B>The benefits of PHP and MySQL include:</B><BR>
<UL>
<LI>PHP is one of the approved programming languages in Software
Development
<LI>PHP can be used to program mobile devices
<LI>PHP and MySQL are free and open source</LI></UL><B>What is
included?</B><BR>
<UL>
<LI>A copy of Kevork’s new book "PHP and MySQL for standard and mobile
devices"
<LI>software installation
<LI>sample outcomes for teachers who are interested in delivering PHP and
MySQL
<LI>notes and exercises ready for participants at any proficiency level.
<LI>refreshments are supplied. </LI></UL><B>What should I bring?</B><BR>
<UL>
<LI>Bring your laptop</LI></UL>Additional dates are: <SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">2nd March, 9th March, 16th March and 23rd
March</SPAN>. Sessions go from <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">4.30 to 6.30
pm</SPAN> on each day. <B><BR><BR></B><BR><BR>
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<TD style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Price: </TD>
<TD> VITTA members $ 600 (Inc. GST) non-members $750.00
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