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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Can I just make one comment. For the first
time since 2000, enrolments in IT applications (or IPM) have increased this
year. This has not been experienced in any of the other units.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span lang=EN-US
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Bane, Janet A<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, 18 August 2009 4:41
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY,SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY
DESIGN</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Robert, with all due respect, I think
you're missing the point. Our ITA numbers are <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>decreasing</span></font></b></strong>.
Whenever I start to go on about databases or spreadsheets, their eyes start to
glaze over. Students start to nod off. The occasional one has even
fallen off their chair in a deep deep slumber. They look at me pityingly
when I say "its part of the study design, and we have to do
it". Their response is its BORING! </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>S</span></font><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>o how will doing two
database SACS, (worthy though they might be) help us to <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>attract</span></font></b></strong>
numbers to our study? One database SAC is enough (if it has to stay at
all). Lets offer a course that is a bit more interesting for the
kids (and one which they will hopefully enjoy and be attracted to because
its FUN).</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I think the way to go is to include
a task that will appeal more to their creative side - eg.a
multimedia task (eg. using powerpoint, photo story, movie maker, flash,
kahootz, scratch etc.) where they have to manipulate picture <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>and sound</span></font></b></strong>
files (which IMHO have been sadly neglected and the kids love playing with) to
produce a product suitable for an audience. It can still be rigorous in
terms of designing, producing (& testing) and evaluating as well as
following our beloved "problem solving methodology".</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>What do others think???</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Robert<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 18-Aug-09 3:29 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY,SUMMARY OF PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY
DESIGN</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Oh dear!<br>
<br>
I happen to like databases. They are used considerably in the "real
world".<br>
Sure they are not the only IT app, but should we "tart" the course up
to<br>
attract the less interested students, or should we have a course that does<br>
mirror the real world of IT?<br>
<br>
Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<br>
Ashwood and Traralgon<br>
robert@yinnar.com<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Mark Kelly" <kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au><br>
To: "<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>"<br>
<itapps@edulists.com.au><br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 3:18 PM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] REVIEW OF VCE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY, SUMMARY OF<br>
PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE STUDY DESIGN<br>
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> <a href="http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/vceconsult/itsumofchanges.doc">http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/vceconsult/itsumofchanges.doc</a><br>
><br>
> *TWO* ITA outcomes using databases? O! no no no...<br>
><br>
> ITA enrolments have been bad enough recently.<br>
><br>
> This will surely kill them stone dead.<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Mark Kelly<br>
> Manager - Information Systems<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">McKinnon</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
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