Thanks Mark .. oddly enough I once used Greg's books for teaching Access. Say, are you FMP version 8?<br><br>Regards Roland<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/11 Mark Kelly <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Greg Bowden's PDF tutorials are a good start (<a href="http://gct.com.au" target="_blank">gct.com.au</a> from memory)<div>
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Russo, Frank R wrote:<br>
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Roland have been using Filemaker Pro for years absolutely love it, so easy compared to access each year I obviously teach my Unit 1 & 3 students acess and then give them a taste of filemaker pro there are plenty of resources out there.......<br>
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Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 2:42 PM<br>
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Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] FileMaker Pro<br>
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Well put Mark,<br>
<br>
Say all, I am interested in learning more about FileMaker Pro<br>
following my trip to the NECC with the ACEC08 study tour (again thank<br>
you VITTA and Westall SC :-). I have a suspicion that others might be<br>
thinking along the same line. Is anybody planning a workshop or can<br>
point me towards some good online resources?<br>
<br>
Regards Roland<br>
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2009/8/9 Mark Kelly <<a href="mailto:kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au" target="_blank">kel@mckinnonsc.vic.edu.au</a>>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
VCAA cannot prescribe software used in outcomes. If they DO decide to do<br>
so, they must publish the prescribed software as they do with Software<br>
Development's approved programming languages.<br>
<br>
They MUST accept any answer that is correct for ANY available software<br>
product: spreadsheet, DBMS, web editor etc.<br>
<br>
They MUST NOT ask questions that are specific to any one of the available<br>
varieties of software products (e.g. Access, Excel), including the esoteric<br>
terminology used by them.<br>
<br>
They'd better not ask another Access-specific question this year. The very<br>
mention of "queries" or "reports" is too brand-specific. It seriously<br>
disadvantages Filemaker Pro users, for example.<br>
<br>
It worries me how they assume a particular family or brand of software is<br>
"standard" and merrily ask questions assuming that EVERYONE uses that family<br>
or brand.<br>
<br>
It's wrong and must stop.<br>
<br>
I feel better now.<br>
<br>
Kent Beveridge wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
If I may, an observation...<br>
Personally, I am a "majority Microsoft" product user, not by desire but<br>
just essentially as that is what my employers (the various schools of my<br>
teaching time..) have had available to use for my I.T. classroom ramblings.<br>
Surely the VCAA can be flexible enough to allow the examiners to mark as<br>
'correct' the essentials of formulae presented to them by students. What I<br>
mean is, what if the students have NEVER used Microsoft or APPLE products?<br>
Surely they shouldnt be penalised when in fact their solution would work on<br>
their "flavor" of application software (eg open source spreadsheet or other<br>
market available alternative).<br>
If we are to produce flexible and thinking students for employers then we<br>
must allow them to provide solutions appropriate to their working<br>
environments.<br>
Case in point: Applications developers in the commercial workforce may use<br>
a program that is nothing like Microsoft and yet will do the same job most<br>
efficiently on the mainframe in the workplace. I ask you VCAA...how many<br>
schools out there have a mainframe costing millions of bucks that runs the<br>
exact same formats and conventions of Microsoft on all their applications?<br>
Lets get real here with our exam expectations on the students and allow them<br>
some flexibility with their answers!<br>
Kent.<br>
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<br>
Yes, it isnt so much as they came up with something different or that<br>
they have invented a new standard. There is an open standards group<br>
that is trying to improve the exchange of recalculated formulas in<br>
spreadsheets and I suspect that is what they have used. Google Docs<br>
uses this format too. Let me check. Yep .. works with double quotes.<br>
<br>
Curious I did not directly spot this before as I jump across between<br>
XLS, ODC and GoogleDocs. Shows how plastic our minds are to these<br>
subtle changes. I guess when it flags an error, I just thump my<br>
forehead to shake a neuron loose and amend the formula with either<br>
single or double quotes. REM hmmm<br>
<br>
Regards Roland<br>
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2009/8/7 Robert <<a href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com" target="_blank">robert@yinnar.com</a>>:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And I have just checked Open Office. Different again.<br>
<br>
Requires semicolons rather than commas as separators between items, eg<br>
<br>
=IF(C2>40;"yes";"no")<br>
<br>
?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Subject: Fw: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Whoops! I missed out one (double straight) quote :-)<br>
<br>
Should have read:<br>
<br>
And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like<br>
"smart<br>
quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie<br>
<br>
=IF(C2>40,"YES"," ")<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
And can I add to Mark's message by noting that Excel does not like<br>
"smart<br>
quotes", or curly quotes but only straight quotes, ie<br>
<br>
=IF(C2>40,"YES," ")<br>
<br>
Pedantic? Yes! But Excel, and other apps, will only accept exactly what<br>
they have been programmed to expect.<br>
<br>
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Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] Examination reports<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Examiners' report, ITA Q12b:<br>
<br>
Quote<br>
<br>
Few students could correctly write the formula for the IF statement<br>
=IF(C2>40, 'YES',' ').<br>
<br>
End Quote<br>
<br>
And fewer examiners could either, apparently: double quotes rather<br>
than<br>
single quotes are needed (at least in Excel, which is the undeclared<br>
standard for all spreadsheet questions in the exam).<br>
<br>
It does bug me when a commentary on what is correct and what is not<br>
gets<br>
it wrong.<br>
<br>
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