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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks Robert,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"The problem of course being just what education is
it that the kids need?"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So let us start there</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>what education is it that the kids need? This is a
curriculum problem. </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not an ITC problem, the
ITC has to support the needs of the kids.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So do we keep going round in circles or do we put
effort into working out the first problem - "Just what education is it that the
kids need?"</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And then we move on to the ways in which ICT within
schools can support those needs.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2008 5:18
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google
docs issue</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The problem of course being just what education
is it that the kids need?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert T-A</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Brighton SC</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 07, 2008 4:37
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE:
Google docs issue</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=5>"motherhood statements"?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry Royce, but just what are schools there
for if not to provide the education that the kids need? And that then
applies to all resources within the school.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and
Traralgon<BR><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com">robert@yinnar.com</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Royce Williams" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:Royce.Williams@billanook.vic.edu.au"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Royce.Williams@billanook.vic.edu.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:14
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs
issue</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Ok wearing my eLearning hat I have now been given info that says
that there are educational reasons to investigate google docs<BR>>
Thannks Ros<BR>> I will still ignore motherhood statements about only
being there for students and actually look at them vs the facilities like
the LMS we already have<BR>> I will then change my hats and tell my self
to have my techs look into any security or privacy issues.<BR>> In the
case of firefox my previous decision still stands .Even tho I hate explored
there are sufficient comparability issues with some web pages to not make it
the standard.<BR>> Also there are suffient issues with parent
expectations re microsoft being the only standard I am loathe to change from
office.<BR>> <BR>> Royce Williams<BR>> Sent from my
AppleBerry<BR>> <BR>> On 07/12/2008, at 12:25 PM, "Paul Drew"
<</FONT><A
href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Hi Ros,<BR>> <BR>>
I’m sorry to hear that you are having a difficult time. I cannot imagine
working in that sort of environment. I think it comes down to a few basics.
Having a supportive Principal and AP is essential to getting anything done.
You also need a technician who is there to help you. We are extremely
fortunate to have both. We have a simply brilliant technician who has
changed the way our intranet operates. Whenever we have an issue he comes up
with ideas, not reasons why it can’t be done. He has a strong programming
background so he can quickly create programs to counter the issues students
throw at us. He is always one step ahead. He has a desire to learn. He is
also very big on open source - so most of what we do costs
nothing.<BR>> <BR>> The other really big plus is to lease all of your
PC’s (thanks Roland for that advice). Now all of our tech’s time is spend
improving our network. We have 100% of computers working. Virtually no time
is spent messing with hardware.<BR>> <BR>> His latest toy is
this one. It’s the open source answer to “netsupportschool” and allows
teachers to monitor all students computers from their computer. It’s
fantastic and costs nothing.<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> If the technicians are not finding ways to support
teachers then “what are they doing?” It is not for technicians to question
“why” or to have teachers justify the educational merit of something. A good
technician is one who just gets on with it, finds a way – and enjoys the
challenge!<BR>> <BR>> Regards<BR>> <BR>> Paul Drew<BR>> ICT
Co-Ordinator<BR>> Ashwood College<BR>> ph: 9807-1333 Fax:
9888-1441<BR>> email: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>><BR>> web: </FONT><A
href="http://www.ashwood.vic.edu.au/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.ashwood.vic.edu.au/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of
Ros Meadows<BR>> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 18:55<BR>> To: Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT
Apps] RE: Google docs issue<BR>> <BR>> Thanks Robert,<BR>> <BR>>
For years I jumped up and down, banged my head against a brick wall,
screamed insults, ranted and raved to anyone who would listen, in private
(and to my very understanding hubby) I cried because I knew there was so
much more that could be achieved for the students, if only the powers that
be would see my point of view. I used the line "the tail is wagging
the dog" to my principal early in 2007 when we had a moodle site running but
the AV tech controlled it and would not let anyone create their own courses,
and if I wanted to put a file on my course I would have to take the file to
him on a USB so he could upload it, and also our moodle would only
work within the school, not from home. The principal did not see an issue
with this and refused to change the status quo, so moodle died in my school.
But I could do nothing to make the principal and techs understand that the
curriculum and the needs of the students should come first, not budgets and
issues of "locking the system!<BR>> down". I had no
privileges on the network, the website was </FONT><A
href="mailto:cr@p"><FONT face=Arial size=2>cr@p</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2> (and still is until I get a new one uploaded), the intranet was
</FONT><A href="mailto:cr@p"><FONT face=Arial size=2>cr@p</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>. I was sick of PT nights where parents would come to me
and complain about the website and the "extranet/intranet" I fought against
"the system", against educache, against the rip off fees students were
charged for internet access, I investigated alternative ISPs, but who was
I?? a mere woman, to undermine the decision making power of the principal
and tech who had the power. My only agenda was to improve the educational
outcomes of our students, yet that seemed to be the lowest priority on
everyone else's list. So I privately paid for a web site and server so I
could deliver an online curriculum to my students, but the need for them to
have internet credit to access the site eventually killed this idea too. My
enthusiasm for "we could do this, we can set this up" etc was always met
with answers of "it can't be done, they would hack into the!<BR>>
system, it would cost more money" etc.... Eventually in April of
thi<BR>> s<BR>> year I broke down completely. Yes, I went totally
ga ga. I lost it completely and have had the year from hell.<BR>>
<BR>> What has kept me going over the last 7 months was:<BR>>
<BR>> 1. the fact that I am totally passionate about not only
ICT, but it's potential to increase the learning outcomes of all students,
in all subjects<BR>> 2. the fact that I was on the VITTA
Committee of Management (if any of you read this thank you guys for your
support), and the opportunity it has given me to meet such wonderful people
who share my passion for ICT education<BR>> 3. People like
Paula, Roland and Maggie who have given me confidence in my ability as an
ICT educator. Thank You<BR>> So when you feel like it is a them (ie
techs) vs "me/us" thing - don't give up, fight back with Robert's words "The
curriculum, the education and needs of the students are paramount"<BR>>
<BR>> Don't let the tail wag the dog!!!!<BR>> <BR>> Ros M<BR>>
Bentleigh SC<BR>> <BR>> Robert wrote:<BR>> Thanks Ros.<BR>>
<BR>> The curriculum, the education and needs of the students are
paramount.<BR>> <BR>> There may well be some things we "cannot do" on
a school network. But the whole technical "tail" needs to put its best
efforts into supporting the curriculum and make sure that the dog wags the
tail.<BR>> <BR>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>> Ashwood and
Traralgon<BR>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com>robert@yinnar.com<mailto:robert@yinnar.com"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>mailto:robert@yinnar.com>robert@yinnar.com<mailto:robert@yinnar.com</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>> From: Ros Meadows<</FONT><A
href="mailto:ros.meadows@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:ros.meadows@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<</FONT><A href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:19 AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue<BR>> <BR>> Once
again a case of the tail (ie the techs) wagging the dog (ie the
curriculum)!!<BR>> <BR>> There is NO sound reason why you can't have
firefox and google images, sometimes I wonder if it is just plain laziness,
lack of ability or just a hunger for power on the part of techs.<BR>>
<BR>> Cheers<BR>> Ros<BR>> BentleighSC<BR>> <BR>>
<</FONT><A
href="mailto:murch@tpg.com.au>murch@tpg.com.au<mailto:murch@tpg.com.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>mailto:murch@tpg.com.au>murch@tpg.com.au<mailto:murch@tpg.com.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> We have some issues with
google docs as well. Google images are blocked at our school so this
presents problems with the appearance of google<BR>> <BR>> docs. I
also want firefox on our computer network but was told we cant have it. We
are supposed to be a leading 21st century school!!! I love using<BR>>
<BR>> google docs and use them extensively both with staff and schools in
other countries etc. Means it is difficult to use them with my students. It
is most<BR>> <BR>> annoying.<BR>> <BR>> Anne Mirtschin<BR>>
<BR>> Hawkesdale P12 College<BR>> <BR>>
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