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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=5>"motherhood statements"?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry Royce, but just what are schools there for if
not to provide the education that the kids need? And that then applies to all
resources within the school.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>Ashwood and
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Royce Williams" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:Royce.Williams@billanook.vic.edu.au"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Royce.Williams@billanook.vic.edu.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List" <</FONT><A href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"><FONT face=Arial
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 3:14
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs
issue</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> Ok wearing my eLearning hat I have now been given info that says
that there are educational reasons to investigate google docs<BR>> Thannks
Ros<BR>> I will still ignore motherhood statements about only being there for
students and actually look at them vs the facilities like the LMS we already
have<BR>> I will then change my hats and tell my self to have my techs look
into any security or privacy issues.<BR>> In the case of firefox my previous
decision still stands .Even tho I hate explored there are sufficient
comparability issues with some web pages to not make it the standard.<BR>>
Also there are suffient issues with parent expectations re microsoft being the
only standard I am loathe to change from office.<BR>> <BR>> Royce
Williams<BR>> Sent from my AppleBerry<BR>> <BR>> On 07/12/2008, at
12:25 PM, "Paul Drew" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> Hi Ros,<BR>> <BR>> I’m
sorry to hear that you are having a difficult time. I cannot imagine working in
that sort of environment. I think it comes down to a few basics. Having a
supportive Principal and AP is essential to getting anything done. You also need
a technician who is there to help you. We are extremely fortunate to have both.
We have a simply brilliant technician who has changed the way our intranet
operates. Whenever we have an issue he comes up with ideas, not reasons why it
can’t be done. He has a strong programming background so he can quickly create
programs to counter the issues students throw at us. He is always one step
ahead. He has a desire to learn. He is also very big on open source - so
most of what we do costs nothing.<BR>> <BR>> The other really big plus is
to lease all of your PC’s (thanks Roland for that advice). Now all of our tech’s
time is spend improving our network. We have 100% of computers working.
Virtually no time is spent messing with hardware.<BR>> <BR>> His
latest toy is this one. It’s the open source answer to “netsupportschool” and
allows teachers to monitor all students computers from their computer. It’s
fantastic and costs nothing.<BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://italc.sourceforge.net/home.php</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> If the technicians are not finding ways to support teachers
then “what are they doing?” It is not for technicians to question “why” or to
have teachers justify the educational merit of something. A good technician is
one who just gets on with it, finds a way – and enjoys the challenge!<BR>>
<BR>> Regards<BR>> <BR>> Paul Drew<BR>> ICT Co-Ordinator<BR>>
Ashwood College<BR>> ph: 9807-1333 Fax: 9888-1441<BR>>
email: <</FONT><A href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> </FONT><A
href="mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au<mailto:drew.paul.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>><BR>> web: </FONT><A
href="http://www.ashwood.vic.edu.au/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.ashwood.vic.edu.au/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>>
<BR>> From: </FONT><A
href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] On Behalf Of Ros
Meadows<BR>> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2008 18:55<BR>> To: Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR>> Subject: Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE:
Google docs issue<BR>> <BR>> Thanks Robert,<BR>> <BR>> For years I
jumped up and down, banged my head against a brick wall, screamed insults,
ranted and raved to anyone who would listen, in private (and to my very
understanding hubby) I cried because I knew there was so much more that could be
achieved for the students, if only the powers that be would see my point of
view. I used the line "the tail is wagging the dog" to my principal early
in 2007 when we had a moodle site running but the AV tech controlled it and
would not let anyone create their own courses, and if I wanted to put a file on
my course I would have to take the file to him on a USB so he could upload
it, and also our moodle would only work within the school, not from home.
The principal did not see an issue with this and refused to change the status
quo, so moodle died in my school. But I could do nothing to make the principal
and techs understand that the curriculum and the needs of the students should
come first, not budgets and issues of "locking the system!<BR>>
down". I had no privileges on the network, the website was </FONT><A
href="mailto:cr@p"><FONT face=Arial size=2>cr@p</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2> (and still is until I get a new one uploaded), the intranet was
</FONT><A href="mailto:cr@p"><FONT face=Arial size=2>cr@p</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>. I was sick of PT nights where parents would come to me and
complain about the website and the "extranet/intranet" I fought against "the
system", against educache, against the rip off fees students were charged for
internet access, I investigated alternative ISPs, but who was I?? a mere woman,
to undermine the decision making power of the principal and tech who had the
power. My only agenda was to improve the educational outcomes of our students,
yet that seemed to be the lowest priority on everyone else's list. So I
privately paid for a web site and server so I could deliver an online curriculum
to my students, but the need for them to have internet credit to access the site
eventually killed this idea too. My enthusiasm for "we could do this, we can set
this up" etc was always met with answers of "it can't be done, they would hack
into the!<BR>> system, it would cost more money" etc....
Eventually in April of thi<BR>> s<BR>> year I broke down completely.
Yes, I went totally ga ga. I lost it completely and have had the year from
hell.<BR>> <BR>> What has kept me going over the last 7 months
was:<BR>> <BR>> 1. the fact that I am totally passionate about
not only ICT, but it's potential to increase the learning outcomes of all
students, in all subjects<BR>> 2. the fact that I was on the VITTA
Committee of Management (if any of you read this thank you guys for your
support), and the opportunity it has given me to meet such wonderful people who
share my passion for ICT education<BR>> 3. People like Paula,
Roland and Maggie who have given me confidence in my ability as an ICT educator.
Thank You<BR>> So when you feel like it is a them (ie techs) vs "me/us" thing
- don't give up, fight back with Robert's words "The curriculum, the education
and needs of the students are paramount"<BR>> <BR>> Don't let the tail wag
the dog!!!!<BR>> <BR>> Ros M<BR>> Bentleigh SC<BR>> <BR>> Robert
wrote:<BR>> Thanks Ros.<BR>> <BR>> The curriculum, the education and
needs of the students are paramount.<BR>> <BR>> There may well be some
things we "cannot do" on a school network. But the whole technical "tail" needs
to put its best efforts into supporting the curriculum and make sure that the
dog wags the tail.<BR>> <BR>> Robert Hind (Semi-retired)<BR>> Ashwood
and Traralgon<BR>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:robert@yinnar.com>robert@yinnar.com<mailto:robert@yinnar.com"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>mailto:robert@yinnar.com>robert@yinnar.com<mailto:robert@yinnar.com</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----
Original Message -----<BR>> From: Ros Meadows<</FONT><A
href="mailto:ros.meadows@gmail.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:ros.meadows@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> To: Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List<</FONT><A href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:19 AM<BR>> Subject:
Re: [Year 12 IT Apps] RE: Google docs issue<BR>> <BR>> Once again a case
of the tail (ie the techs) wagging the dog (ie the curriculum)!!<BR>>
<BR>> There is NO sound reason why you can't have firefox and google images,
sometimes I wonder if it is just plain laziness, lack of ability or just a
hunger for power on the part of techs.<BR>> <BR>> Cheers<BR>>
Ros<BR>> BentleighSC<BR>> <BR>> <</FONT><A
href="mailto:murch@tpg.com.au>murch@tpg.com.au<mailto:murch@tpg.com.au"><FONT
face=Arial
size=2>mailto:murch@tpg.com.au>murch@tpg.com.au<mailto:murch@tpg.com.au</FONT></A><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> We have some issues with google
docs as well. Google images are blocked at our school so this presents problems
with the appearance of google<BR>> <BR>> docs. I also want firefox on our
computer network but was told we cant have it. We are supposed to be a leading
21st century school!!! I love using<BR>> <BR>> google docs and use them
extensively both with staff and schools in other countries etc. Means it is
difficult to use them with my students. It is most<BR>> <BR>>
annoying.<BR>> <BR>> Anne Mirtschin<BR>> <BR>> Hawkesdale P12
College<BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>>
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