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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>great that you are happy. Im sure everyone agrees that
expert teachers deserve a pay rise.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have to ask though, Steven, are you also happy that many
teachers have been offered less than inflation?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>by the way, what school are you from steven?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>andrew grimshaw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>colac secondary college</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=russell.steven.s@edumail.vic.gov.au
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=itapps@edulists.com.au
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:13
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Good on ya Janet. I
am very happy. I have never had a 200 dollar rise before. Always thought being
an expert teacher was a hindrance as to expensive. Good rise and absolutely
deserved.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</A>
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Bane, Janet A<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 1:29
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> <st1:PersonName
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List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=black size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Guys,
Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut. I can't believe you
aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy! Yes, I am one of those "Expert"
teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough to
reach the top of the classroom teacher scale", but hey, I do an extra
job (computer across the curriculum) and I work long hours, (last night I
left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open night), am available to students AND
other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school, just like
you. Trouble is, that our school has only about 6 leading teachers in a
staff of over 80, as they are seen as "too expensive". So, I think,
before you criticise Expert teachers, you should acknowledge that experienced
teachers are the backbone (the "grunt") of most schools, without the
reward of being a leading teacher. I think most of us are quite happy
with the pay rise, although as others have said, the devil will be in
detail.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yes, Andrew. The agreement
is a disgrace. I'm not too sure where Leading Teachers fit if teachers
"at the top" have received the largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who
have maximum responsibility and (usually) full classroom teaching loads,
have <STRONG><B><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">proved
</SPAN></FONT></B></STRONG>that they are, in fact "at the top", but are
receiving only a fraction of the pay rise awarded to "Expert" teachers, some
of whom have simply stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough
to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not
cease to be highly skilled classroom teachers just because they accept
additional responsibility, work longer hours, be available to students AND
other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school . . . To
quote one of my esteemed colleagues: "We have been royally
screwed!"</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<BR><B><SPAN
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Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">hey
all<BR><BR>>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It
benefits those at<BR>the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does
nothing for everyone<BR>in between, who have seen the value of their wages be
eroded over the last<BR>18 months<BR><BR>Again the devil will be in the
detail, but in conversation with the AEU on<BR>the telephone today it was made
clear to me that teachers will not be moving<BR>up levels to gain parity with
NSW<BR><BR>True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not just new ones
and<BR>those at the top<BR><BR>That is, if you are a 5th year teacher in Vic,
your wage should be<BR>equivalent to a 5th year teacher in NSW.<BR><BR>Under
my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in in Vic will<BR>be
paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW<BR><BR>that is for everyone in
the system and not at the top level we have gained<BR>absolutely nothing and
in fact have lost ground - both in pay and conditions<BR><BR>I hope I am
mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath to read
the<BR>agreement<BR><BR>Andrew Grimshaw<BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st="on">Colac</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceName
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Original Message -----<BR>From: <stephen@melbpc.org.au><BR>To:
<english@edulists.com.au><BR>Cc: <offtopic@edulists.com.au>;
<itapps@edulists.com.au><BR>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26
PM<BR>Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<BR><BR><BR>>
Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid<BR>><BR>> Farrah Tomazin May
5, 2008 - 11:33AM<BR>> <<A
href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html</A>><BR>><BR>>
The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers<BR>> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its
members in more<BR>> than 25 years.<BR>><BR>> The agreement between
the State Government and the Australian Education<BR>> Union (AEU) resolves
a 14-month industrial row, which included three<BR>> statewide teachers'
strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.<BR>><BR>> The unions
had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,<BR>> disrupting
during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The<BR>> resolution
of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to<BR>> go ahead
without disruption.<BR>><BR>> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett
said it was the best enterprise<BR>> bargaining deal for teachers that she
had seen in 25 years with the union.<BR>><BR>> 11% rise for
some<BR>><BR>> However, there appears to be some contention over the
increases announced<BR>> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister
Bronwyn Pike this morning.<BR>><BR>> The Government says the deal will
equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first<BR>> year and 2.7% in the second and
third years of the agreement.<BR>><BR>> But the union believes some of
biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get<BR>> between 8% and
11%.<BR>><BR>> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is
going to get out<BR>> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent
per annum,'' Ms Bluett<BR>> said.<BR>><BR>> "This is the best outcome
in terms of salary and career structure in my<BR>> history as a union
official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.<BR>><BR>> Pupil-free
days to stay<BR>><BR>> A key sticking point in negotiations was the
issue of pupil-free days,<BR>> which the Government had originally wanted
to abolish.<BR>><BR>> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days
will be brought to the<BR>> start of the term and become professional
training days and only one will<BR>> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise
disruption to parents.<BR>><BR>> It also includes an exits strategy to
remove disengage teachers from<BR>> classroom and find them new
jobs.<BR>><BR>> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition
each year under<BR>> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for
students and<BR>> teachers.<BR>><BR>> "A graduate teacher in
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State>
currently earns $46,127 and under this<BR>> agreement will become the
highest-paid graduate teacher in the country<BR>> earning $51,184, while an
experienced classroom teacher will receive a<BR>> $10,000 pay rise to
$75,500."<BR>><BR>> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the
Government's wages<BR>> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases
off-set by service<BR>> improvement.<BR>><BR>> State-by-state teacher
salaries:<BR>><BR>> Maximum for a classroom teacher<BR>><BR>>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> -
2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008:
$75,352<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Queensland</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $69,225, 2008:
$71,994<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South
Australia</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $68,422, 2008:
$68,422<BR>><BR>> West <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> - 2007: $67,446, 2008:
$71,206<BR>><BR>> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279<BR>><BR>>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Northern
Territory</st1:place></st1:State>: 2007: $70,047, 2008:
$72,849<BR>><BR>><BR>> Graduate Entry<BR>><BR>> <st1:State
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Victoria</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007:
$46,127, 2008: $51,184<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008:
$50,522<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Queensland</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $46,950, 2008:
$48,829<BR>><BR>> <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">South
Australia</st1:place></st1:State> - 2007: $49,605, 2008:
$49,605<BR>><BR>> West <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> - 2007: $44,618, 2008:
$45,733<BR>><BR>> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781<BR>><BR>>
<st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Northern
Territory</st1:place></st1:State>: $49,944, 2008: $49,944<BR>><BR>>
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