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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>When I started the first year out was
19000. I climbed the ladder like all others. Have been told fewer opportunities
for me, as I am experienced, as most Prins look at budget before experience. Hey!
First year out is equal to 1st year Docs. Not bad. Im not counting chickens until
eggs in basket, but, 1000, 10000 as from 11<sup>th</sup> then 4.2. 2.7 and 2.7,
lets see first. I believe from past experience, 22 years aeu member, it’s
a lot better than expected. I expected to really get shafted as usual. What do
you think? If not happy many more opportunities out there in Private enterprise!
Regards Steve from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Mill</st1:PlaceName>
<st1:PlaceType w:st="on">Park</st1:PlaceType></st1:place> Senior. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Grimshaw<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 8 May 2008 11:20
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>great that you are happy. Im sure everyone agrees that
expert teachers deserve a pay rise.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have to ask though, Steven, are you also happy that many
teachers have been offered less than inflation?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>by the way, what school are you from steven?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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href="mailto:russell.steven.s@edumail.vic.gov.au"
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:itapps@edulists.com.au" title="itapps@edulists.com.au">Year 12 IT
Applications Teachers' Mailing List</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Thursday, May 08,
2008 10:13 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: [Year 12 IT
Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Good on ya Janet. I am very happy. I have
never had a 200 dollar rise before. Always thought being an expert teacher was
a hindrance as to expensive. Good rise and absolutely deserved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>
[mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Bane, Janet A<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 1:29
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Guys, Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay cut. I can't believe
you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy! Yes, I am one of those
"Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare
minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher
scale", but hey, I do an extra job (computer across the curriculum)
and I work long hours, (last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was
Open night), am available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes,
recesses, before and after school, just like you. Trouble is, that our
school has only about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are
seen as "too expensive". So, I think, before you criticise
Expert teachers, you should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the
backbone (the "grunt") of most schools, without the reward of
being a leading teacher. I think most of us are quite happy with the pay
rise, although as others have said, the devil will be in detail.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Harper, Glenda J<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wed 07-May-08 8:34 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Yes, Andrew. The agreement is a disgrace. I'm
not too sure where Leading Teachers fit if teachers "at the top" have
received the largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who have maximum
responsibility and (usually) full classroom teaching loads, have <strong><b><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>proved </span></font></b></strong>that
they are, in fact "at the top", but are receiving only a fraction of
the pay rise awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom have simply
stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach the top of
the classroom teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not cease to be highly
skilled classroom teachers just because they accept additional responsibility,
work longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes,
recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my esteemed colleagues:
"We have been royally screwed!"</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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on behalf of Andrew Grimshaw<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 6/05/2008 11:17 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>hey all<br>
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>From my reading of it I think the deal is a disgrace. It benefits those at<br>
the top of the expert range and new gradautes but does nothing for everyone<br>
in between, who have seen the value of their wages be eroded over the last<br>
18 months<br>
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Again the devil will be in the detail, but in conversation with the AEU on<br>
the telephone today it was made clear to me that teachers will not be moving<br>
up levels to gain parity with NSW<br>
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True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers, not just new ones and<br>
those at the top<br>
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That is, if you are a 5th year teacher in Vic, your wage should be<br>
equivalent to a 5th year teacher in NSW.<br>
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Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in in Vic will<br>
be paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW<br>
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that is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we have gained<br>
absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay and conditions<br>
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I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath to read the<br>
agreement<br>
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Andrew Grimshaw<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: <stephen@melbpc.org.au><br>
To: <english@edulists.com.au><br>
Cc: <offtopic@edulists.com.au>; <itapps@edulists.com.au><br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26 PM<br>
Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<br>
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> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid<br>
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> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM<br>
> <<a
href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html</a>><br>
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> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian teachers<br>
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in more<br>
> than 25 years.<br>
><br>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian Education<br>
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three<br>
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.<br>
><br>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,<br>
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The<br>
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to<br>
> go ahead without disruption.<br>
><br>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best enterprise<br>
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the union.<br>
><br>
> 11% rise for some<br>
><br>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases announced<br>
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this morning.<br>
><br>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first<br>
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.<br>
><br>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get<br>
> between 8% and 11%.<br>
><br>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to
get out<br>
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms Bluett<br>
> said.<br>
><br>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in
my<br>
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.<br>
><br>
> Pupil-free days to stay<br>
><br>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,<br>
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.<br>
><br>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to the<br>
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one will<br>
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.<br>
><br>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from<br>
> classroom and find them new jobs.<br>
><br>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year under<br>
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and<br>
> teachers.<br>
><br>
> "A graduate teacher in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
currently earns $46,127 and under this<br>
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country<br>
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a<br>
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."<br>
><br>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages<br>
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service<br>
> improvement.<br>
><br>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:<br>
><br>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500<br>
><br>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Queensland</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">South Australia</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422<br>
><br>
> West <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
- 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206<br>
><br>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Northern Territory</st1:State></st1:place>:
2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849<br>
><br>
><br>
> Graduate Entry<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184<br>
><br>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Queensland</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">South Australia</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605<br>
><br>
> West <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
- 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733<br>
><br>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Northern Territory</st1:State></st1:place>:
$49,944, 2008: $49,944<br>
><br>
> Source: Victorian Government<br>
> --<br>
><br>
> Cheers people<br>
> Stephen Loosley<br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Victoria</st1:City>, <st1:country-region
w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place><br>
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