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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The Principal has discretion in relation
to a teachers worth. They can take Tafe background into consideration as they
did with me. Regards Steve<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Clare, Ian J<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:39
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree Chris<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I had a career in banking and accounting,
taught at TAFE and this was not taken into consideration. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><b><i><font size=5 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold'>Ian
Clare</span></font></i></b></em><font color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>e-mail <a
href="mailto:clare.ian.j@edumail.vic.gov.au">clare.ian.j@edumail.vic.gov.au</a></span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Lenghaus, Christine C <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:24
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Here’s another perspective – I
trained as a teacher 15 years ago and chose to work for companies o/s (teaching
5.5 years) and in Oz, local and federal govt, have a family and have a world of
experience that I bring to the classroom. I know how much work teaching
is and am working part-time to make sure I survive this year (sounded like a
good idea..) but one of my students who works part time at
McDonald’s earns more than I do because none of the experience I gained
counts for anything and I earn graduate wages!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au [mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kent Beveridge<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, 7 May 2008 9:02
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Here's another perspective. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Firstly, we have not yet seen the 'mechanics' of the
rises... who gets what, when, how much and over what time based on exactly what
grounds.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Personally, I would have liked to do leading teacher work
years ago but when faced with not 'what', but 'who' you know and the proverbial
glass ceiling among other factors out of my control, I am now seeing my role as
being the best classroom teacher I can. I am glad that at last the govt has
agreed to increase our wage, yes I'd like more for the effort I make, but will
take what I can get!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>How much flows into the non-govt sector remains to be seen!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf of Geoff Moss<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tue 5/6/2008 10:18 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Year 12 IT Apps]
o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Has anyone considered that there has been a significant
win for the<br>
government too?<br>
<br>
With staff being required to work an extra 50 minutes a week, that is one<br>
teacher allotment for every 20 teachers per week. Does this mean that the<br>
government can reduce the staffing numbers in each school. So teachers will<br>
work a little more each week, and if total school allotments remain the<br>
same, schools will have "excess staff ".<br>
<br>
Is this the governments way of not having to so rapidly replace retiring,<br>
and more costly, staff as the baby boomers bulge goes through to retirement.<br>
It may also encourage some to stay to improve their super payouts and thus<br>
avoid the predicted shortage of teachers in the next 5-10 years.<br>
<br>
Call me cynical, but there are significant gains for the government if it<br>
can reduce school staffing by 5% overall (1 in 20 teachers) to the overall<br>
bottom line of education funding, especially if the replacement staff are<br>
younger, lower paid graduates.<br>
<br>
I have not seen any promise to maintain staffing levels in the announcements<br>
to date.<br>
<br>
Could this be the reason that the government has not revealed how much the<br>
agreement has cost the government?<br>
And of Bronwyn Pike's confident announcement that "any additional wages
will<br>
be offset by service improvements . . "<br>
<br>
Let's wait and see the fine print and bottom line before rejoicing too much.<br>
It may be that some hard fought gains of the past may have been lost.<br>
<br>
The government does not give in that easily, instance the deals with nurses<br>
and police!<br>
<br>
Let's hope I am all wrong.<br>
<br>
Geoff Moss<br>
RMIT<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Chris Barry" <barry.chris.b@edumail.vic.gov.au><br>
To: "'<st1:PersonName w:st="on">Year 12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing
List</st1:PersonName>'"<br>
<itapps@edulists.com.au><br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:42 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<br>
<br>
<br>
> It is probably best to wait for the official AEU statement, as there have<br>
> been many conflicting reports in the media.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au<br>
> [<a href="mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au">mailto:itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of stephen@melbpc.org.au<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 7:27 PM<br>
> To: english@edulists.com.au<br>
> Cc: offtopic@edulists.com.au; itapps@edulists.com.au<br>
> Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<br>
><br>
> Victorian teachers to be nation's best-paid<br>
><br>
> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM<br>
> <<a
href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html</a>><br>
><br>
> The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian teachers<br>
> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its members in more<br>
> than 25 years.<br>
><br>
> The agreement between the State Government and the Australian Education<br>
> Union (AEU) resolves a 14-month industrial row, which included three<br>
> statewide teachers' strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.<br>
><br>
> The unions had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,<br>
> disrupting during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The<br>
> resolution of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to<br>
> go ahead without disruption.<br>
><br>
> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett said it was the best enterprise<br>
> bargaining deal for teachers that she had seen in 25 years with the union.<br>
><br>
> 11% rise for some<br>
><br>
> However, there appears to be some contention over the increases announced<br>
> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister Bronwyn Pike this morning.<br>
><br>
> The Government says the deal will equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first<br>
> year and 2.7% in the second and third years of the agreement.<br>
><br>
> But the union believes some of biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get<br>
> between 8% and 11%.<br>
><br>
> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is going to
get out<br>
> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent per annum,'' Ms Bluett<br>
> said.<br>
><br>
> "This is the best outcome in terms of salary and career structure in
my<br>
> history as a union official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.<br>
><br>
> Pupil-free days to stay<br>
><br>
> A key sticking point in negotiations was the issue of pupil-free days,<br>
> which the Government had originally wanted to abolish.<br>
><br>
> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days will be brought to the<br>
> start of the term and become professional training days and only one will<br>
> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise disruption to parents.<br>
><br>
> It also includes an exits strategy to remove disengage teachers from<br>
> classroom and find them new jobs.<br>
><br>
> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition each year under<br>
> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for students and<br>
> teachers.<br>
><br>
> "A graduate teacher in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
currently earns $46,127 and under this<br>
> agreement will become the highest-paid graduate teacher in the country<br>
> earning $51,184, while an experienced classroom teacher will receive a<br>
> $10,000 pay rise to $75,500."<br>
><br>
> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the Government's wages<br>
> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases off-set by service<br>
> improvement.<br>
><br>
> State-by-state teacher salaries:<br>
><br>
> Maximum for a classroom teacher<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500<br>
><br>
> NSW - 2007: $72,454, 2008: $75,352<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Queensland</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $69,225, 2008: $71,994<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">South Australia</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $68,422, 2008: $68,422<br>
><br>
> West <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
- 2007: $67,446, 2008: $71,206<br>
><br>
> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Northern Territory</st1:State></st1:place>:
2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849<br>
><br>
><br>
> Graduate Entry<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Victoria</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $46,127, 2008: $51,184<br>
><br>
> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Queensland</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">South Australia</st1:State></st1:place>
- 2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605<br>
><br>
> West <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region></st1:place>
- 2007: $44,618, 2008: $45,733<br>
><br>
> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008: $50,781<br>
><br>
> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Northern Territory</st1:State></st1:place>:
$49,944, 2008: $49,944<br>
><br>
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