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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>janet</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i do not begrudge the pay rise that expert teachers are
getting, nor am i accusing anyone of not working hard enough</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>i am objecting to the fact that most teachers have won
nothing from the campaign - we have been given the 3.25% that the
government offered on the first place whilst giving up some
conditions</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>all teachers should be rewarded, not just those at the
top</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>also, let us not kid ourselves that 3.25% is a pay rise -
it is about 1% less than inflation which means that the value of our career
structure will continue to erode</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>andrew grimshaw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>colac secondary college</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 07, 2008 1:28
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t:
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<DIV dir=ltr><BR>Guys, Guys! we are getting a pay RISE, not pay
cut. I can't believe you aren't the teeniest tiniest bit happy!
Yes, I am one of those "Expert" teachers who have "stuck around doing the bare
minimum for long enough to reach the top of the classroom teacher scale",
but hey, I do an extra job (computer across the curriculum) and I work
long hours, (last night I left school at 93.0 pm - OK, it was Open
night), am available to students AND other teachers all lunchtimes, recesses,
before and after school, just like you. Trouble is, that our school has
only about 6 leading teachers in a staff of over 80, as they are seen as "too
expensive". So, I think, before you criticise Expert teachers, you
should acknowledge that experienced teachers are the backbone (the "grunt")
of most schools, without the reward of being a leading teacher. I
think most of us are quite happy with the pay rise, although as others have
said, the devil will be in detail.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr>just my two cents worth, </DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf
of Harper, Glenda J<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wed 07-May-08 8:34 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Year 12 IT
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Hi All,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, Andrew. The agreement is a
disgrace. I'm not too sure where Leading Teachers fit if teachers "at
the top" have received the largest pay rise. Leading Teachers, who have
maximum responsibility and (usually) full classroom teaching loads, have
<STRONG>proved </STRONG>that they are, in fact "at the top", but are receiving
only a fraction of the pay rise awarded to "Expert" teachers, some of whom
have simply stuck around doing the bare minimum for long enough to reach
the top of the classroom teacher scale. Leading Teachers do not cease to
be highly skilled classroom teachers just because they accept additional
responsibility, work longer hours, be available to students AND other teachers
all lunchtimes, recesses, before and after school . . . To quote one of my
esteemed colleagues: "We have been royally screwed!"</FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> itapps-bounces@edulists.com.au on behalf
of Andrew Grimshaw<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tue 6/05/2008 11:17 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Year
12 IT Applications Teachers' Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Year 12 IT
Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU Agreement<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>hey all<BR><BR>>From my reading of it I think the deal is a
disgrace. It benefits those at<BR>the top of the expert range and new
gradautes but does nothing for everyone<BR>in between, who have seen the value
of their wages be eroded over the last<BR>18 months<BR><BR>Again the devil
will be in the detail, but in conversation with the AEU on<BR>the telephone
today it was made clear to me that teachers will not be moving<BR>up levels to
gain parity with NSW<BR><BR>True parity with NSW would apply to all teachers,
not just new ones and<BR>those at the top<BR><BR>That is, if you are a 5th
year teacher in Vic, your wage should be<BR>equivalent to a 5th year teacher
in NSW.<BR><BR>Under my understanding of the deal struck a 5th year teacher in
in Vic will<BR>be paid about the same as a 3rd year in NSW<BR><BR>that
is for everyone in the system and not at the top level we have
gained<BR>absolutely nothing and in fact have lost ground - both in pay and
conditions<BR><BR>I hope I am mistaken - I will be waiting with bated breath
to read the<BR>agreement<BR><BR>Andrew Grimshaw<BR>Colac Secondary
College<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From:
<stephen@melbpc.org.au><BR>To: <english@edulists.com.au><BR>Cc:
<offtopic@edulists.com.au>; <itapps@edulists.com.au><BR>Sent:
Tuesday, May 06, 2008 7:26 PM<BR>Subject: [Year 12 IT Apps] o/t: Gov/AEU
Agreement<BR><BR><BR>> Victorian teachers to be nation's
best-paid<BR>><BR>> Farrah Tomazin May 5, 2008 - 11:33AM<BR>> <<A
href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2008/05/05/1209839508834.html</A>><BR>><BR>>
The education union has hailed a deal that will make Victorian
teachers<BR>> the highest-paid in the country as the best deal for its
members in more<BR>> than 25 years.<BR>><BR>> The agreement between
the State Government and the Australian Education<BR>> Union (AEU) resolves
a 14-month industrial row, which included three<BR>> statewide teachers'
strikes and weeks of rolling half-day stoppages.<BR>><BR>> The unions
had threatened to walk off the job from May 13 to 15,<BR>> disrupting
during the first national literacy and numeracy tests. The<BR>> resolution
of the industrial dispute means those tests are now likely to<BR>> go ahead
without disruption.<BR>><BR>> AEU Victorian branch president Mary Bluett
said it was the best enterprise<BR>> bargaining deal for teachers that she
had seen in 25 years with the union.<BR>><BR>> 11% rise for
some<BR>><BR>> However, there appears to be some contention over the
increases announced<BR>> by Premier John Brumby and Education Minister
Bronwyn Pike this morning.<BR>><BR>> The Government says the deal will
equate to a 4.9% pay rise in the first<BR>> year and 2.7% in the second and
third years of the agreement.<BR>><BR>> But the union believes some of
biggest beneficiaries of the deal will get<BR>> between 8% and
11%.<BR>><BR>> "It's a complex arrangement, but the least any teacher is
going to get out<BR>> of this is somewhere between five and six per cent
per annum,'' Ms Bluett<BR>> said.<BR>><BR>> "This is the best outcome
in terms of salary and career structure in my<BR>> history as a union
official of 25 years standing,'' Ms Bluett said.<BR>><BR>> Pupil-free
days to stay<BR>><BR>> A key sticking point in negotiations was the
issue of pupil-free days,<BR>> which the Government had originally wanted
to abolish.<BR>><BR>> Under the new deal, three pupil free training days
will be brought to the<BR>> start of the term and become professional
training days and only one will<BR>> be held mid-term, in a bid to minimise
disruption to parents.<BR>><BR>> It also includes an exits strategy to
remove disengage teachers from<BR>> classroom and find them new
jobs.<BR>><BR>> Secondary students will get an extra six days of tuition
each year under<BR>> the deal, Mr Brumby said, describing it as a win for
students and<BR>> teachers.<BR>><BR>> "A graduate teacher in Victoria
currently earns $46,127 and under this<BR>> agreement will become the
highest-paid graduate teacher in the country<BR>> earning $51,184, while an
experienced classroom teacher will receive a<BR>> $10,000 pay rise to
$75,500."<BR>><BR>> Mr Brumby said the pay deal was consistent with the
Government's wages<BR>> policy of a 3.25% rise every year, plus increases
off-set by service<BR>> improvement.<BR>><BR>> State-by-state teacher
salaries:<BR>><BR>> Maximum for a classroom teacher<BR>><BR>>
Victoria - 2007: $65,414, 2008: $75,500<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $72,454,
2008: $75,352<BR>><BR>> Queensland - 2007: $69,225, 2008:
$71,994<BR>><BR>> South Australia - 2007: $68,422, 2008:
$68,422<BR>><BR>> West Australia - 2007: $67,446, 2008:
$71,206<BR>><BR>> ACT - 2007: $71,767, 2008: $74,279<BR>><BR>>
Northern Territory: 2007: $70,047, 2008: $72,849<BR>><BR>><BR>>
Graduate Entry<BR>><BR>> Victoria - 2007: $46,127, 2008:
$51,184<BR>><BR>> NSW - 2007: $49,050, 2008: $50,522<BR>><BR>>
Queensland - 2007: $46,950, 2008: $48,829<BR>><BR>> South Australia -
2007: $49,605, 2008: $49,605<BR>><BR>> West Australia - 2007: $44,618,
2008: $45,733<BR>><BR>> ACT: 2007: $50,781, 2008:
$50,781<BR>><BR>> Northern Territory: $49,944, 2008:
$49,944<BR>><BR>> Source: Victorian Government<BR>>
--<BR>><BR>> Cheers people<BR>> Stephen Loosley<BR>> Victoria,
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